Life begins at conception?

[Ben Kenobi]

So you'd be OK with contraception being handed out?

I think if people want contraception they should pay for it themselves rather then asking me to pay for it.

[Ben Kenobi]

"Think of Patrick and Sambo and Hans and Ung Tung who do not know the difference between a Monarchy and a Republic, who never read the Declaration of Independence... making laws for Lydia Maria Child, Lucretia Mott, or Fanny Kemble." Elizabeth Cady Stanton

Interesting. So why don't we quote 'Feminist' Margaret Sanger?

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

[Ben Kenobi]

You're talking about the woman who you allegedly quoted?

What, that I've not had a chance? Yessir.

The one who has had four kids? Were they born out of wedlock or is she married and you're intending/wishing to have relations with her outside the holy bounds of matrimony? If they were born out of wedlock, shouldn't you be stoning her to death rather than having wet dreams about her?

It was the answer to the question. Have I had the opportunity? No, no I have not. No, they were not born out of wedlock.

****, not only are you a terrible Christian, but you're also a terrible member of the medieval extremist branch of the Catholic church you claim to support.

Medieval apparently is bad. Who knew?

[kentonio]

I think if people want contraception they should pay for it themselves rather then asking me to pay for it.

You don't get to choose what your tax dollars pay for you tool. Atheists have to pay for the ink to print 'In God We Trust' on all those banknotes, so you can shut your damn hole and stop crying like a ***** about having to pay for a few condoms that help stop the spread of disease and wildly cut down on the number of those abortions you claim to hate so much.

[kentonio]

It was the answer to the question. Have I had the opportunity? No, no I have not. No, they were not born out of wedlock.

Ah, so you're coveting another mans wife. Good Christian values there.

[Ben Kenobi]

Rather obviously, not every foetus is spontaneously aborted or miscarried.

So, I guess then that 'nature' doesn't take care of all of them. We have to help 'nature' along.

the point is to ensure women have control over their own bodies

Does that give a woman the right to kill her own children? If the women have this right, why not the men, since the men have to use their bodies to support their children.

As for Tolkien - the point stands. What gives you the right to decide whom shall live and whom shall die? What if the child you abort was our next Einstein?

As I have no intention of reproducing, deciding whether or not a foetus will be aborted or not is unlikely to be a decision I have to make. I may well have to decide whether I or my partner have our lives terminated- neither he nor I wish to be a drain on the resources of our loved ones or each other, nor do we wish our lives to be unnecessarily prolonged to satisfy someone else's notions of the supposed 'sanctity of life'. I prefer quality over quantity, thanks.

So why should disabled people die because you believe their lives have a surfeit of quality? Who decides what is 'quality'? Isn't life precious enough on it's own?

So it's ok for the mother to kill her child when she believes the child would impose an emotional burden on her?

Answer the question Molly. Is emotional burden sufficient cause for an abortion?

Preferably starting with the ones who are congenitally deaf and the others subject to progressive deafness.

You're welcome to try.

I believe that a foetus is no more a person or a child than any other random agglomeration of human cell tissue.

So how many count for the threshhold of personhood? where's the dividing line?

Why not call the foetus the unborn Aileen Wuornos or Ulrike Meinhof, or the unborn suicide bomber ?

Would it matter if they were? Is it ok to kill people for what they might become?

The essential point being she had the choice to, or not to.

So you believe it's right and proper that people have a legal choice to kill other people?

I doubt if Betty Friedan, Germaine Greer or Shulamith Firestone ever endowed themselves with the ability to speak for all feminists

So, then the essential point is conceded. Feminism does not equal pro choice.

[Ben Kenobi]

You don't get to choose what your tax dollars pay for you tool.

No taxation without representation says otherwise. Yes, yes I do. Or at least in Canada I have that right.

so you can shut your damn hole and stop crying like a ***** about having to pay for a few condoms that help stop the spread of disease and wildly cut down on the number of those abortions you claim to hate so much.

You can pound sand. I ain't paying for that crap. Force me and I'll go to jail.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ah, so you're coveting another mans wife. Good Christian values there.

Logic, sir. How old are her children? Is that the only possibility?

[Sava]

I don't see why we should be funding abortion.

Society is much better off without millions of children growing up with parents who don't love them. There are strong correlations between permissive abortion laws and lower violent crime rates.

Also, if your goal is reduced abortion (it's not... you just want retributive justice focused on women and doctors) then you should be advocating sex education programs, family planning, and free condoms. People have sex. We are programmed.

Your whole "kids shouldn't be planned" religion is moronic. It leads to far worse results... including more abortions.

That's why you should sit back, shut up, and let the smart people worry about things. Go read your Bible. You consistently demonstrate that you don't understand it. You could use a refresher.

[kentonio]

No taxation without representation says otherwise. Yes, yes I do. Or at least in Canada I have that right.

No you don't you ****ing liar. That is not (and never has been) what 'No taxation without representation' means.

You can pound sand. I ain't paying for that crap. Force me and I'll go to jail.

Please, please, please refuse to pay the IRS.

[Sava]

BK seems to think that losing elections is the same as "taxation without representation". We put that stuff to a vote. You lost. Go back to Canada if you are mad. We don't want you anyways.

[kentonio]

Logic, sir. How old are her children? Is that the only possibility?

The only other possibility is that she's a widow and desperately trawling for an imbecile to fund her retirement. You may actually not remain a virgin for ever after all.

[kentonio]

Also, if your goal is reduced abortion (it's not... you just want retributive justice focused on women and doctors) then you should be advocating sex education programs, family planning, and free condoms. People have sex. We are programmed.

Given that the Catholic church facilitated the spread of AIDS to millions of people due to their preachings on contraception, we shouldn't be surprised that they don't baulk at a ton of extra abortions too.

[Ben Kenobi]

Society is much better off without millions of children growing up with parents who don't love them.

So it's ok to kill people because they are at present unloved? Is the problem the children, or the parents?

There are strong correlations between permissive abortion laws and lower violent crime rates.

If we kill all the people, the murder rate drops to zero.

Also, if your goal is reduced abortion (it's not... you just want retributive justice focused on women and doctors) then you should be advocating sex education programs, family planning, and free condoms. People have sex. We are programmed.

I'm not sure why sex = abortion. Are you saying that you have to have an abortion if you have sex?

Your whole "kids shouldn't be planned" religion is moronic.

I don't see how it's dumber than the religion that says if we have a baby we don't want, we can kill her. Or the religion that says if your baby is a girl, you can kill her. Stupid it may be, it's actually less stupid than the alternatives.

That's why you should sit back, shut up, and let the smart people worry about things. Go read your Bible. You consistently demonstrate that you don't understand it. You could use a refresher.

Says the Orthodox Serb?

[Ben Kenobi]

The only other possibility is that she's a widow and desperately trawling for an imbecile to fund her retirement. You may actually not remain a virgin for ever after all.