Life begins at conception?

[Kidlicious]

Just for clarification. Are you saying that if a person is found guilty of perjury in a death penalty case that they should be put to death?

Falsely accusing someone of murder, and causing them to receive the death penalty? Yes, I would support the death penalty for that. It's murder after all.

[Kidlicious]

You've already claimed that it's 'prejudice' to say rape is worse than false imprisonment, which along with your constant stream of pathetic woe-is-****ing-me victim bull**** and ridiculous misogynism, makes your position crystal clear.

Seriously, grow some damn balls and stop being such a little *****.

I actually feel sympathy for the injustices against men. Men who are falsely accused of raping women, and get little recourse from the law thanks to ****ing manginas like you. Thanks for all the lies.

[kentonio]

It's never the men's faults that they can't keep their dicks in their pants, is it? I love how you'd rather blame the Church than the men who are going around twisting the Church's teachings, and ****ing whores bareback. I guess religious bigotry still holds sway over the British imagination.

Yeah, why would anyone need to blame the church? After all the only thing they do is spread a message around a continent where people are dying in their millions from a deadly disease, that about the only means of stopping the spread of that disease is against Gods will.

Unless obviously you count the lies they spread about contraception increasing the transmission rate of AIDS, to try and scare more people out of trying to control the birthrate that leads to more than 1 in 10 children dying before age 5 in some areas. Let's pretend that doesn't happen though shall we, because we definitely wouldn't want to hurt the delicate religious sensibilities of any Catholics that don't want to be reminded that their church is contributing to the deaths of millions.

I love how people are old enough to ****, but not old enough to be held accountable for their decisions.

Ah I see, so those silly Africans deserve to die in their millions because they aren't smart enough to keep their legs closed? Touching.

[kentonio]

I actually feel sympathy for the injustices against men. Men who are falsely accused of raping women, and get little recourse from the law thanks to ****ing manginas like you. Thanks for all the lies.

Shame you don't seem to give the first **** about the injustices commited against women in vastly higher numbers. It takes a special kind of man to whine about false rape convictions while not giving the slightest damn about the women who actually get raped.

[N35t0r]

The Church actively campaigns on behalf of marital fidelity and abstinence until marriage. If a RCC believer follows these things, they will not contribute to the spread of stds.

The only problem with this is that belief is not binary, and somehow fidelity and abstinence don't have as many adherents as not using contraception.

[molly bloom]

....and demonstrates your prejudice against men.

I'll admit to feeling a certain amount of growing prejudice to some whiny d!ckless men....

My answer is that it is always human

There's a difference between 'human cells' and 'a human being' . My gall bladder was a human gall bladder, but now that I'm doing without it, I'm fairly evidently not less human, nor in the eyes of the law or government have I ceased to be a human being.

[molly bloom]

Interesting. So why don't we quote 'Feminist' Margaret Sanger?

I don't know- why don't we ? Is she meant to invalidate feminism because of her support for eugenics ?

If so, then we can invalidate an awful lot of 20th Century figures, including Churchill and George Bernard Shaw, 20th Century governments, from Sweden to Australia and the U.S. and Canada, and of course the political parties that approved the eugenics measures, oh, and of course the Roman Catholic Church, teaching orphaned indigenous folks to be good white people, the wide world over.

[molly bloom]

So, I guess then that 'nature' doesn't take care of all of them. We have to help 'nature' along.

I'm not aware of having suggested that nature did. Do you write simply to repeat yourself ?

A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. (Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called preterm deliveries.)

A miscarriage may also be called a "spontaneous abortion." This refers to naturally occurring events, not to medical abortions

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm

Does that give a woman the right to kill her own children?

Especially the ones who are grown adults, yes.

What if the child you abort was our next Einstein?

Or just maybe, the next bin Laden ? Or Fred West ? The horror!

So why should disabled people die because you believe their lives have a surfeit of quality?

Could you show me where I've suggested mandatory euthanasia for people with disabilities ? I haven't of course.

Who decides what is 'quality'?

Providing I'm still able to, I'll decide when my quality of life has declined sufficiently, thanks.

Is emotional burden sufficient cause for an abortion?

Boring. Partial quoting. Next.

You're welcome to try

You overestimate by some degree your importance to me.

So how many count for the threshhold of personhood?

Three and a half on Saturdays, 4.3 on Sundays, with scattered showers the rest of the week.

where's the dividing line?

Omaha.

Would it matter if they were?

Feel free to call a zygote or foetus anything you like. It won't understand you.

Is it ok to kill people for what they might become?

If they become priests, definitely. I make exceptions for gay priests who are hot and available.

So you believe it's right and proper that people have a legal choice to kill other people?

Only those who confuse a zygote with a human being. Thoise we should have the right to torture over prolonged periods, with comfort breaks for popcorn and juice.

So, then the essential point is conceded.

Whatever your current delusion is, you're more than welcome to it.

[Felch]

Ah I see, so those silly Africans deserve to die in their millions because they aren't smart enough to keep their legs closed? Touching.

What people deserve has nothing to do with it. I just wish that you weren't so patronizing and racist. Just because they're black doesn't mean that they're children. Africans are just as capable of making their own decisions as anybody else.

[Felch]

Society is much better off without millions of children growing up with parents who don't love them. There are strong correlations between permissive abortion laws and lower violent crime rates.

If society benefits from the forced sterilization of the mentally retarded, would you support that?

What if occasionally executing an innocent person was proven to be beneficial to society?

Do all rights go out the window if "society benefits" from their violation?

Do you honestly not understand the difference between correlation and causation? Couldn't the decrease in violent crimes rates be a result of more permissive gun laws, or a rising stock market, or better video games? Don't they all correlate?

[Sava]

Read Freakonomics. It's not my argument.

BTW, I love the little lecture on "causation vs correlation" when the word I used was CORRELATION

thanks for playing ******

[Kidlicious]

Shame you don't seem to give the first **** about the injustices commited against women in vastly higher numbers. It takes a special kind of man to whine about false rape convictions while not giving the slightest damn about the women who actually get raped.

You're a liar. All you do is lie. Show me in this thread where I said that rapists should serve only one year in prison for what they do?

[Kidlicious]

I'll admit to feeling a certain amount of growing prejudice to some whiny d!ckless men....

Oh, yes. I don't have a penis because I want to go to be falsely accused of rape and serve years in prison. It takes a real man to do that. I'm sorry , but your insult fails.

[giblets]

If society benefits from the forced sterilization of the mentally retarded, would you support that?

What if occasionally executing an innocent person was proven to be beneficial to society?

Do all rights go out the window if "society benefits" from their violation?

Do you honestly not understand the difference between correlation and causation? Couldn't the decrease in violent crimes rates be a result of more permissive gun laws, or a rising stock market, or better video games? Don't they all correlate?

Do you have the right to do things that harm society because you feel like it? Like, uh, having kids you won't bother to raise properly?

[Felch]

Read Freakonomics. It's not my argument.

BTW, I love the little lecture on "causation vs correlation" when the word I used was CORRELATION

thanks for playing ******

When you use correlation as if it were the end of an argument, then you deserve to be lectured. Now go back to being a coward who won't answer some very simple questions.

If society benefits from the forced sterilization of the mentally retarded, would you support that?

What if occasionally executing an innocent person was proven to be beneficial to society?

Do all rights go out the window if "society benefits" from their violation?