Life begins at conception?

[giblets]

Feminism has nothing to do with equality. Men and women aren't equal, and no feminists want them to be equal. Men have different obligations than women. Feminism is about eliminating female obligations, not male obligations. In fact, men have more obligations than ever. Whatever the problem it's always men who take the blame. Because it's believed that all women are good, and never lie or try to get one over on people, but men are the evil rulers of the Patriarchy. Bull****.

"Eliminating female obligations"? Like what, staying in the kitchen?

[Kidlicious]

"Eliminating female obligations"? Like what, staying in the kitchen?

Well that's the language they use. Of course, cooking and cleaning isn't all that bad, but it's made out to be slavery.

[MichaeltheGreat]

How hard is it for pro-abortion folks to grasp that a fetus is a separate organism? Just because a piece of flesh connects you doesn't mean you're the same human being. Are Siamese twins only one person?

How long will it be before "make the ***** whelp it" folks realize that until the fetus is physiologically capable of separate existence (even with medical intervention), it is not the ****ing government's business to regulate the inside of a pregnant woman's uterus? Maybe they should focus as much on what goes on up a men's *******s and inside their balls.

The "personhood" of conjoined twins is an entirely separate issue, since it is post birth. It is also medically and generally legally acceptable to perform separation surgery when, get this, medical professionals judge it necessary to assure or improve the chances for survival and development of the stronger or more fully formed one of the twins. It's funny, patients (or parents) and medical professionals get to make most choices in the doctor-patient relationship. It's only abortion where it's suddenly the prerogative of legislatures.

[MrFun]

How long will it be before "make the ***** whelp it" folks realize that until the fetus is physiologically capable of separate existence (even with medical intervention), it is not the ****ing government's business to regulate the inside of a pregnant woman's uterus? Maybe they should focus as much on what goes on up a men's *******s and inside their balls.

The "personhood" of conjoined twins is an entirely separate issue, since it is post birth. It is also medically and generally legally acceptable to perform separation surgery when, get this, medical professionals judge it necessary to assure or improve the chances for survival and development of the stronger or more fully formed one of the twins. It's funny, patients (or parents) and medical professionals get to make most choices in the doctor-patient relationship. It's only abortion where it's suddenly the prerogative of legislatures.

I think it's a violation of religious freedom for doctors to help women make decisions on their healthcare, rather than priests and rabbis.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Can you find one documented case of an abortion based on sex-selection?

We should ban Mongolian hordes from raping and pillaging. WHY ARE YOU AGAINST IT

so barabarbaric

It is (or at least was) pretty common in South Korea - to the point where suddenly, all those Korean boys couldn't find good Korean girls to marry. Ooopsies.

[DinoDoc]

How long will it be before "make the ***** whelp it" folks realize that until the fetus is physiologically capable of separate existence (even with medical intervention), it is not the ****ing government's business to regulate the inside of a pregnant woman's uterus?

You are aware that the end of the first trimester (a limit you have said was reasonable in the past) is well before the limit you are setting now, yes?

[Ben Kenobi]

How long will it be before "make the ***** whelp it" folks realize that until the fetus is physiologically capable of separate existence (even with medical intervention), it is not the ****ing government's business to regulate the inside of a pregnant woman's uterus?

Oh. So then why are you forcing other people to pay for the abortions? If it's not the government that's responsible - shouldn't the government stop funding abortion providers like Planned Parenthood?

Maybe they should focus as much on what goes on up a men's *******s and inside their balls.

I heard Barry O wants to make sex changes funded by the government. So yeah, you'll get your wish soon, MtG. You ok with that?

It's only abortion where it's suddenly the prerogative of legislatures.

Given that it involves the execution of a patient, perhaps you can see why?

[N35t0r]

Oh. So then why are you forcing other people to pay for the abortions? If it's not the government that's responsible - shouldn't the government stop funding abortion providers like Planned Parenthood?

Do you think the government should stop funding programs that give out vaccines as well? As it is, people who are against vaccines are 'forced' to pay for them.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you think the government should stop funding programs that give out vaccines as well? As it is, people who are against vaccines are 'forced' to pay for them.

Does vaccination involve killing people? No? Then I guess your analogy fails.

[Felch]

It's just idiotic. And Felch, you are an even bigger ****ing hypocrite. OMG Life is so important... but not so important the we should have the government doing a single ****ing thing to help that child out. A kid gets hit by a car in the street somewhere? Well, their family better have private insurance for such things. We can't collectively get together as a society and agree to a social contract that says a public agency should offer assistance in that situation.... THAT WOULD BE FASCISM

I'm Catholic, not Republican. I'm totally cool with free health care for the kids. I'm not cool with killing people because you don't understand biology.

[Felch]

How long will it be before "make the ***** whelp it" folks realize that until the fetus is physiologically capable of separate existence (even with medical intervention), it is not the ****ing government's business to regulate the inside of a pregnant woman's uterus?

It's the government's job to make sure that our rights are protected. Since you're on record as being contemptuous of the mere idea of human rights, I'm not shocked that you think this isn't the government's job. Those of us who regard a fetus as human, consider its right to life to be the government's job.

Maybe they should focus as much on what goes on up a men's *******s and inside their balls.

If there's a human being up my *******, then it's the government's business to keep me from killing it.

The "personhood" of conjoined twins is an entirely separate issue, since it is post birth.

They're attached to one another. Why do women have right to do what they want with bodies attached to them, but twins don't? Don't twins have a right to do whatever they please with whatever human being is unfortunate enough to be attached to them?

It is also medically and generally legally acceptable to perform separation surgery when, get this, medical professionals judge it necessary to assure or improve the chances for survival and development of the stronger or more fully formed one of the twins.

Does one twin have the right to kill the other?

It's funny, patients (or parents) and medical professionals get to make most choices in the doctor-patient relationship. It's only abortion where it's suddenly the prerogative of legislatures.

Completely false. Ever hear of medical marijuana? You realize it's still against federal law?

[Kidlicious]

Does vaccination involve killing people? No? Then I guess your analogy fails.

Not really. You're claim that it's REALLY immoral because people are forced to pay for it is stupid.

[Felch]

Can you find one documented case of an abortion based on sex-selection?

I guess next you'll say that the New York Times and the Lancet have well known pro-life biases.

Over the past 30 years, 4 to 12 million girls were aborted in India alone. Just for being girls. Think on that next time you slander all pro-lifers as paleolithic misogynists. Or just lash out at with more of your idiotic rantings. Since the truth hurts, and it's easier to just keep believing lies.

[Kidlicious]

Maybe they should focus as much on what goes on up a men's *******s and inside their balls.

Yes, because the evil Patriarchy is only trying to control women. They would never prevent men from having abortions.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're claim that it's REALLY immoral because people are forced to pay for it is stupid.

Is this real life?

You are seriously claiming that I believe abortion is wrong because it's state funded?



No, Kidicious. I believe that abortion is wrong because it kills a person and personhood begins at conception.

MtG was arguing that 'we should get the state out of woman's bodies'. Presumably this involves getting the state OUT of abortion funding, if MtG is being honest about his motivations.

Look Kidicious. See all the pro abortion folks? Go attack them. Not me. them.