Life begins at conception?

[Kidlicious]

So basically you want eyewitness testimony to be barred from the courtroom for all crimes? So if someone gets robbed, their word should carry no weight just in case they're lying? Or murder? Or child abuse? After all, they could just be lying, right?

Not barred but in some cases, like rape, where that accuser can sue some entity for hundreds of thousands of dollars, yes. The testimony of the accuser should be taken for what it's worth. Yes, people do lie, and that certainly includes women. People should not be assumed to be telling the truth just because they are the accuser and not the accused. Why isn't it assumed that the accused is telling the truth?

Since when do women committing perjury not face perjury charges?

You may be able to link to an occasional case of this happening, but 'more likely'? Please provide even the tiniest shred of evidence to support that.

In almost all cases women never face any charges and if they do they pay a very small fine. Please provide proof of any woman accusing a man of rape facing substantial penalties for her false accusation.

[Kidlicious]

I think all sorts of people are capable of lying, but lying about something like rape is extremely rare and usually carries with it imprisonment for the perjurer if revealed.

Wrong and wrong. Why don't you believe that someone would not lie about rape? It carries no cost in almost all cases, and when it does have a cost it's very small. I don't think you understand how passive aggressive woman are. You really have no idea about women at all.

[Sava]

A case of lying that wasn't revealed for 10 years, the accusation being made when the woman was a minor, difficulties with statute of limitations and the inability to reclaim the money because she's now a broke mother on welfare.

Terrible case, but not exactly indicative of the entire system.

See. That's the clear difference here. You won't see anyone argue that fraud of this sort isn't bad because rape exists and is worse. Both are bad.

It's unfortunate that when someone makes the controversial point about "rape being bad" that there are individuals who feel compelled to argue otherwise because at some point... a woman has lied about it.

Male victimhood

[DinoDoc]

A case of lying that wasn't revealed for 10 years, the accusation being made when the woman was a minor, difficulties with statute of limitations and the inability to reclaim the money because she's now a broke mother on welfare.

Do you really think that sucessfully concealing a crime for a period of time should get you a free pass when it is finally discovered?

[rah]

A quick search finds a case from this year.

Woman convicted of lying about being gang raped is going to prison

January 3, 2013 by affiliate
A Wilber woman will serve time in prison after she was convicted of making up a story she was gang-raped at a southern Gage County recreation area in 2011.
Twenty-eight-year-old Jennifer Valenta was sentenced in Gage County District Court on Wednesday to serve a 20-to-48-month prison term for tampering with evidence, attempted prostitution and false reporting.
District Judge Paul Korslund called it a disturbing case.
Elliott Hawkins of Wymore, initially accused of rape in the investigation, filed a lawsuit against Gage County and four Gage County Sheriff’s officers, asking for damages and seeking a jury trial over his arrest. He is seeking damages for lost earnings capacity, damage to reputation, emotional distress and humiliation.
In Valenta’s sentencing, Judge Korslund said the case could have a negative impact on actual victims of sexual assault.
The judge denied a defense request for probation for Valenta, who is a mother of three children and who has successfully completed drug court. Judge Korslund said the case required a prison term that gives Valenta a reasonable opportunity for parole.
According to a court document, experts consulted by the state said injuries Valenta suffered did not match the timeline of the alleged rape.
Valenta allegedly later admitted the injuries were self-inflicted two days later, caused by fingernails and the handle of a disposable razor.
By Doug Kennedy, KWBE, Beatrice

[Kidlicious]

A case of lying that wasn't revealed for 10 years, the accusation being made when the woman was a minor, difficulties with statute of limitations and the inability to reclaim the money because she's now a broke mother on welfare.

Terrible case, but not exactly indicative of the entire system.

She spent the 750k, from fraud, on crap and ruined a persons life, but they believed her in a court of law. So much for victim testimony.

[kentonio]

Not barred but in some cases, like rape, where that accuser can sue some entity for hundreds of thousands of dollars, yes. The testimony of the accuser should be taken for what it's worth. Yes, people do lie, and that certainly includes women. People should not be assumed to be telling the truth just because they are the accuser and not the accused. Why isn't it assumed that the accused is telling the truth?

Convictions based solely on victim testimony are extremely rare. If you want to bar testimony from rape cases however you just successfully let a majority of rapists from. Sure you think that's a good idea?

Since when do women committing perjury not face perjury charges?

In almost all cases women never face any charges and if they do they pay a very small fine. Please provide proof of any woman accusing a man of rape facing substantial penalties for her false accusation.

Here you go.

http://gothamist.com/2010/02/24/woma..._sentenced.php

[DinoDoc]

A quick search finds a case from this year.

Problem solved and I bow before your Google fu. Most current I could find was middle of last year.

[kentonio]

Not barred but in some cases, like rape, where that accuser can sue some entity for hundreds of thousands of dollars, yes. The testimony of the accuser should be taken for what it's worth. Yes, people do lie, and that certainly includes women. People should not be assumed to be telling the truth just because they are the accuser and not the accused. Why isn't it assumed that the accused is telling the truth?

Convictions based solely on victim testimony are extremely rare. If you want to bar testimony from rape cases however you just successfully let a majority of rapists from. Sure you think that's a good idea?

Since when do women committing perjury not face perjury charges?

In almost all cases women never face any charges and if they do they pay a very small fine. Please provide proof of any woman accusing a man of rape facing substantial penalties for her false accusation.

Here you go.

http://gothamist.com/2010/02/24/woma..._sentenced.php

[DinoDoc]

Seriously, Ken. We heard you the 1st time.

[kentonio]

I don't think you understand how passive aggressive woman are. You really have no idea about women at all.

You need therapy.

[kentonio]

Do you really think that sucessfully concealing a crime for a period of time should get you a free pass when it is finally discovered?

Did you skim read the part where I said it was a terrible case? At the same time that doesn't help the prosecutors actually get a conviction in a case as difficult as that one.

[Sava]

A quick search finds a case from this year.

WHAT?!

Women who lie about rape never face any consequences!

[DinoDoc]

This is amusing now.

[Kidlicious]

Convictions based solely on victim testimony are extremely rare. If you want to bar testimony from rape cases however you just successfully let a majority of rapists from. Sure you think that's a good idea?

Since when do women committing perjury not face perjury charges?



Here you go.

http://gothamist.com/2010/02/24/woma..._sentenced.php

You found a case where a woman falsely accused a man of rape, and the victim got nearly four years in prison, yet she got 1 to 3 years. She'll probably serve one year. Excellent.