Are states' rights more important than human lives?

[giblets]

Given what medical care and resources I have received for my disability, I'll give them the same answer the Canadian Government and their fabled 'universal health care' system gave me. You either pay for it or do without.

Why should I be paying benefits for other people when they exclude me from receiving the care and assistance that I myself need? That's not fair. It would be fairer if everyone paid for themselves. That way I could put the money that I'm not having to pay towards the government, towards taking care of myself.

You didn't get 'free' hearing aids so no one should get any 'free' stuff, ever. Because it's not faaaaaaiiiir. Waaaah.

[kentonio]

Oh, and just FYI - Christ has forgiven me for plenty.

How do you know, did you ask him?

I've always owned up to being a wretched sinner, which is the truth.

Shame you never learned to actually try not being instead of just assuming you'll be forgiven for it regardless.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not at all, you can despise what someone has become without stopping loving them and trying to get them to redeem themselves. Tell me why Jesus exhorted his disciples to give up all their worldly possessions.

Finally. You ask rather than tell.

The question is over who is master - Christ or stuff. If stuff is the master, then you must divest oneself of stuff in order to put Christ above stuff. Like I said previous - it's not an either/or decision. You are still expected to show proper stewardship when called upon, to make the best use of the resources that one has to further the cause, rather than binning it all, or setting fire to everything and going naked.

It is the same way as with an alcoholic. Someone who is alcoholic cannot drink again. Ever. They must divest themselves of alcohol because of their issues with it. That does not mean that no Christians can drink. We are called to use everything in moderation, and nothing to excess. That includes, food, alcohol, money, etc. But, some cannot. Jesus talks to the rich man, and the man even challenges Jesus by saying, "I've done everything you have asked." So Jesus tests him and says - "sell all you have, give to the poor and follow me". Did Jesus say that to prohim first? No. Only after he challenged Jesus by saying, "what else do you have to offer". And he answered - sell it all and live all for me.

Jesus didn't hate rich people. Far from it. He was not an ascetic. He went to all the parties - and partied with the prostitutes, with the tax collectors, with the rich and with the poor. He was not like John the Baptist who was an ascetic. Jesus understood that he had to reach out to everyone - rich and poor in order to teach them the truth - that money was simply temporary riches, while the true riches are in heaven.

For the record, I don't hate the wealthy. I do hate rich people who refuse to contribute fairly to the society that enabled them to become rich, but that's a rather different matter.

So you hate the rich and love thieves. Is it right for me to demand my neighbour's possessions? To covet?

[Kidlicious]

CHRIST changes people, Kidicious. It is CHRIST who provides forgiveness for our sins. It is not me who 'does anything about people's sinful desires', it is Christ. The only way you can overcome your sins is to turn to Christ.

So you admit that you have no control over people demanding child porn. So why did you say that we should do something about, not only people supplying objects of sin, but people demanding objects of sin?

[Ben Kenobi]

You didn't get 'free' hearing aids so no one should get any 'free' stuff, ever. Because it's not faaaaaaiiiir. Waaaah

Are you saying it is fair and right that I should have to provide for my essential medical care and do without when others have their's paid in full?

[giblets]

Are you saying it is fair and right that I should have to provide for my essential medical care and do without when others have their's paid in full?

No, but claiming no one should get it because you didn't is infantile.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you admit that you have no control over people demanding child porn. So why did you say that we should do something about, not only people supplying objects of sin, but people demanding objects of sin?

Interesting. So that is what you are after. Yes, I do have things I can do to help people overcome their sinful desires. The same things people did for me to help me with mine. I can pray for them to Christ, and I can help them come to Christ. There are other things that can be done as well. Throwing up your hands and saying that "nothing can be done" is wrong. We can do things, and we can help people.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, but claiming no one should get it because you didn't is infantile.

I think everyone should be held to the same standard as I have been. Pay for your crap. Don't force me to pay for your crap. That is fair.

[Kidlicious]

Throwing up your hands and saying that "nothing can be done" is wrong. We can do things, and we can help people.

You're the most full of crap person that I've ever spoken too.

[kentonio]

The question is over who is master - Christ or stuff. If stuff is the master, then you must divest oneself of stuff in order to put Christ above stuff. Like I said previous - it's not an either/or decision. You are still expected to show proper stewardship when called upon, to make the best use of the resources that one has to further the cause, rather than binning it all, or setting fire to everything and going naked.

I don't recall anyone asking the rich to take all their money and set fire to it. You keep talking about 'proper stewardship' as if it means anything in this context. The rich are not stewarding the money for others benefit, they are collecting money purely for their own benefit. In the case of the extremely rich it's called greed, and the bible has some rather pointed things to say about it.

So you hate the rich and love thieves. Is it right for me to demand my neighbour's possessions? To covet?

Only in the mindset of a pathetic, cowardly man is the idea of all people contributing towards the good of all 'theft'. To you its a terrible sin to expect those with huge financial resources to contribute a percentage of their income to society, but you're fine with starving families, children who can't afford medicine, and people forced to live on the streets. I'm not a Christian but I have a lot of respect for those real Christians who dedicate their lives to the worse off, and who call for equality and fairness for all. You are not one of those people and you disgrace their work by claiming to be.

[giblets]

I think everyone should be held to the same standard as I have been. Pay for your crap. Don't force me to pay for your crap. That is fair.

As already established, you are okay with some people not getting essential medical care because you didn't get free hearing aids.

[kentonio]

I think everyone should be held to the same standard as I have been. Pay for your crap. Don't force me to pay for your crap. That is fair.

Yes it is far fairer to leave people to die if they don't have money, rather than to setup a system where everyone receives medical care. You ****ing tool.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're the most full of crap person that I've ever spoken too.

You yourself said, "why should we care about why people choose to use child porn"

Cain said the same thing.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes it is far fairer to leave people to die if they don't have money, rather than to setup a system where everyone receives medical care. You ****ing tool.

Is it fair to force people to pay for killing unborn children?

[Ben Kenobi]

As already established, you are okay with some people not getting essential medical care because you didn't get free hearing aids.

You're ok with killing other people to get what you want.