Are states' rights more important than human lives?

[Ben Kenobi]

No, and I don't make them pick my cotton.

You're using the same argument - "don't like slavery don't own a slave." Only works if you don't consider black people as persons.

Even you get it - you eat cows and don't eat fetuses. So you don't treat them the same way you do animals.

[Ben Kenobi]

Go read about the wonderful happy safe lives everyone used to live before the evil government started welfare programs.

500 people in Chicago died every year from homicides?

Maybe you should concentrate on your own life rather than trying to tell other people how to live theirs. Especially when it's a group who spent most of human history being treated like chattel, and have only recently reached a semblance of equality. It tends to make you look a bit of a ***** when you try and turn that clock back.

Right, which is why Susan B Anthony agrees with you.

"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; But oh, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!"

Oh, wait no, she didn't.

What are your thoughts on sex-selection abortions?

[MrFun]

Could save her life? With what likelihood? If it did, what would that be worth in terms which I can compare to the costs?

I can't put a monetary price on the worthiness of a human life.

[MrFun]

Given what medical care and resources I have received for my disability, I'll give them the same answer the Canadian Government and their fabled 'universal health care' system gave me. You either pay for it or do without.

Why should I be paying benefits for other people when they exclude me from receiving the care and assistance that I myself need? That's not fair. It would be fairer if everyone paid for themselves. That way I could put the money that I'm not having to pay towards the government, towards taking care of myself.

But the problem is that the woman is not able to pay for the medical care herself. Would you tell her that she should just die?

[Hauldren Collider]

I can't put a monetary price on the worthiness of a human life.

What do you call life insurance? This is an idiotic sentiment. There is clearly some equilibrium where we balance the extension of human life with the betterment of human life.

[ricketyclik]

What do you call life insurance?

A delusion.

[Ben Kenobi]

But the problem is that the woman is not able to pay for the medical care herself. Would you tell her that she should just die?

Fine then. Let's make a deal. You get health care, but contraception and abortion services not included. Deal?

[MrFun]

*shrug* It doesn't matter if it's government or private sector: getting healthcare when the person first becomes ill is generally cheaper than allowing the illness to progress and potentially requiring a hospital admission. Nor does it really matter what you believe, FWIW.

So if the poor could get access to basic healthcare before they acquire more serious illnesses or diseases, it would actually lessen the cost of healthcare for everyone.

[Krill]

Killing a patient when they first become ill is cheaper still.

Strictly speaking it isn't when you consider the cost of prison.

[MrFun]

What do you call life insurance?

A scam where life insurance companies have people sign onto an agreement where supposedly, the amount of money survivors would get is agreed upon ahead of time, then when the person dies, the life insurance company pulls every string and goes through every imaginable loophole to try to prevent survivors from getting the amount that they were entitled to based on the agreement.

[Hauldren Collider]

A scam where life insurance companies have people sign onto an agreement where supposedly, the amount of money survivors would get is agreed upon ahead of time, then when the person dies, the life insurance company pulls every string and goes through every imaginable loophole to try to prevent survivors from getting the amount that they were entitled to based on the agreement.

[kentonio]

Fine then. Let's make a deal. You get health care, but contraception and abortion services not included. Deal?

You do realize that you are in an absolutely tiny minority of crazy people who oppose contraception right?

More than 99% of women aged 15–44 who have ever had sexual intercourse have used at least one contraceptive method.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

[ricketyclik]

Fine then. Let's make a deal. You get health care, but contraception and abortion services not included. Deal?

How about this... Universal health care, but feet and knees aren't included?

[Ben Kenobi]

You do realize that you are in an absolutely tiny minority of crazy people who oppose contraception right?

It's a simple question, Kentonio.

You get Healthcare, no contraception or abortion included. Deal or no deal?

[Ben Kenobi]

How about this... Universal health care, but feet and knees aren't included?

Interesting. So it's not about the homeless or the poor, as some have grandstanded on about but in forcing other people to pay for your abortions and contraception.

Called it.