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  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    You're being an idiot. Universities have a lot of young people densely populated in close proximity to each other who are out in the world for the first time. This really isn't true any other setting. It's not "unequal" except in the sense that there is no other place where young people without much life experience are clustered together so densely.
    Yeah, and then they are allowed to commit smaller crimes that outside the university are punished ? I have lived in two cities with large unversities and in neither there have been "special rules" for university attendants.
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
      In summary, yes, sometimes personal freedoms need to be curtailed for the greater good. Is this not, in essence, the basis of all legal and regulatory systems? Would the human species be more successful if we all operated autonomously?
      His ability to murder people is already curtailed. That is already illegal. He also acquired guns illegally. In order to murder people, which is illegal. Moreover he brought guns onto a school campus, which is illegal. He violated the law three times. Clearly if only there were four laws being violated this would never have happened.

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      • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
        Yeah, and then they are allowed to commit smaller crimes that outside the university are punished ? I have lived in two cities with large unversities and in neither there have been "special rules" for university attendants.
        There are no special rules. The police are just trained to deal with youth instead, and look the other way for things like underage drinking.
        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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        • Also @ricketyclik, as a gun owner, I'm not going to give up my right to own guns for hunting, target shooting, and self-defense just because some ******* in another state committed a crime that doesn't involve me in any way whatsoever. I have never shot anyone with any of my guns, and I don't anticipate anyone ever shooting someone with my guns. American society is not built upon people giving up their freedom over unrelated actions by other people.

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          • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
            His ability to murder people is already curtailed. That is already illegal.
            Nope, that isn't illegal. If it was, every owner of a gun, knife ... you name it would be guilty.

            He also acquired guns illegally. In order to murder people, which is illegal. Moreover he brought guns onto a school campus, which is illegal. He violated the law three times. Clearly if only there were four laws being violated this would never have happened.
            Problem isn't that he accuired them "illegally" - problem is that there was easy acces to them.
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

            Steven Weinberg

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            • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
              Nope, that isn't illegal. If it was, every owner of a gun, knife ... you name it would be guilty.
              ...um, are you saying that everyone who has ever owned a gun or a knife has murdered someone? Or are you just not very fluent in English?

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              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                There are no special rules. The police are just trained to deal with youth instead, and look the other way for things like underage drinking.
                Oh, drinking when 15 is a major crime that may drive you into eternal crime ?
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • BlackCat is obviously not literate enough in english to be worth the effort to communicate with.
                  If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                  ){ :|:& };:

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                  • Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
                    It's the central point in the gun law debate - no gun starts its life as an illegal gun.
                    Sorry, but that's not true.

                    For academic use only.
                    John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                    • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                      ...um, are you saying that everyone who has ever owned a gun or a knife has murdered someone? Or are you just not very fluent in English?
                      I think that I'm pretty fluent in english, but you may have a different interpretation of "His ability to murder people is already curtailed" than I have - please elaborate
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        BlackCat is obviously not literate enough in english to be worth the effort to communicate with.
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • Originally posted by MOBIUS
                          If he had been Welsh, he wouldn't have had access to guns and probably raped a sheep instead.

                          Moral of the story: no one would have died!
                          What about the little lambs that he would have produced raping the sheep if he had ben welsh
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • Originally posted by Felch View Post
                            Let me rephrase: Very few guns start their lives as illegal guns.

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                            • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                              His ability to murder people is already curtailed. That is already illegal. He also acquired guns illegally. In order to murder people, which is illegal. Moreover he brought guns onto a school campus, which is illegal. He violated the law three times. Clearly if only there were four laws being violated this would never have happened.
                              It would have been substantially more curtailed if he didn't have access to guns.

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                              • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                                I have never shot anyone with any of my guns, and I don't anticipate anyone ever shooting someone with my guns.
                                I assume this is also true for the killer's mother.

                                Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                                American society is not built upon people giving up their freedom over unrelated actions by other people.
                                Clearly not. But is it unrelated? That's the whole point: many guns within a community = more murders.

                                What if I argued that I should be able to travel down the road at 100 mph because I've done so many times without killing anyone? Just because someone else did it doesn't mean it'll happen to me.

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