School Shooting

[Dr Strangelove]

Again, they need better security. Anyone can just walk into a classroom in most these schools. They are very lucky no one has decided to pull an oklahoma city style bombing on one of these places. At my old elementary school you could have driven a truck right into the courtyard in seconds and been able to hit 30 or so classrooms easily. As far as stopping a lone gunaman, creating entry points and then creating security at them is the only way. Most these schools have only one officer at the school, and they're usually obese.

The interesting thing is that Columbine High School was built with security in mind. There was only one entrance / exit and there was a cop deployed to the school. The lack of exits trapped the kids, and the cop stationed at the school was unable to beat off the attackers.

At the recent mall shooting the death count was kept down by people keeping their wits and getting the heck out of the way. Perhaps what the school really needed was exits in every room so that the kids could flee.

We don't yet know details other than the perp also killed his mother, a teacher at the school. I wonder if most of the child victims were pupils in her class, that he came in, killed her, and then banged away at her class for some sick reason.

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I still think we should give all the 6 year olds guns because, as the NRA says, more guns makes everything better. That's obviously the best way to stop gun violence.

[BlackCat]

Does that matter for your scenario? You can't go to a corner store in CT and get a gun on a whim, or in NJ. Yes you can do that in, say, Virginia or perhaps Ohio (the closest states I believe where that is true) but that's a pretty long drive. Also you have to be 21 to buy a handgun anywhere in the country, and this man was 20.

Actually, you'd be hard pressed to find a corner store that sells handguns. Wal-mart sells rifles and shotguns but for the most part only gun stores sell handguns.

The problem is that he had probably easy acces to legal weapons in some way.

I could of course be wrong and that he bought his guns on the black market, but what amount of money are you willing to bet on that ?

[Dinner]

And Norway's gun control isn't that strict anyway so that is another fallacy.

Shhh. You're letting facts get in the way of the American right wing's fallacies and they really hate it when that happens. It makes them all upset. Oh, who am I kidding? They just ignore facts and continue spreading their stupid talking points even after they've all been proven false so it doesn't matter to them at all.

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continue spreading their stupid talking points

[Asher]

Can we please stop building these ridiculous strawmen?

It's not a strawman, HC. That argument is trotted out every ****ing time there's a mass shooting. Maybe not by you, but he didn't claim you said that.

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I don't even know what to say about this issue. Obviously it's devastating for all involved.

I don't think there's anything more to say about the US mass shootings anymore. It's ****ing sad.

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The problem is that he had probably easy acces to legal weapons in some way.

I could of course be wrong and that he bought his guns on the black market, but what amount of money are you willing to bet on that ?

A fair amount since apparently he had a handgun and in order to get one legally you have to provide valid photo ID (this is checked with the state police) and be 21 and pass a background check (also conducted by the state police).

[BlackCat]

Damn, what a waste...















Six more and he would have got the record...

Bet that if he had been welsh he would have performed better

[Hauldren Collider]

No offense, but a society that considers it "normal" to ha armed guards in schools from kindergarten to high school can't be healthy. I know that there are lots pf yanks that are afraid of the state getting too powerful, but what about all of those security companies that watch you ?

Oh, well, If I was a yanky, I'll probably buy a lot of guns to protect myself

We have a single cop in every high school. Usually they are responsible for enforcing petty laws in a more lenient way than a normal police officer would, because they deal with teenagers. After columbine they also became trained to provide token protection against rampage shooters.

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I still think we should give all the 6 year olds guns because, as the NRA says, more guns makes everything better. That's obviously the best way to stop gun violence.

I believe you are the second person in this thread to pull up this retarded strawman.

[BlackCat]

A fair amount since apparently he had a handgun and in order to get one legally you have to provide valid photo ID (this is checked with the state police) and be 21 and pass a background check (also conducted by the state police).

Well, I may have expressed that wrong - what I meant was that he bought it from some criminals organisating illegal weaponry - not someone bending the rules as they think they shold be.

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It turns out actually he just stole them from his mother.

[BlackCat]

We have a single cop in every high school. Usually they are responsible for enforcing petty laws in a more lenient way than a normal police officer would, because they deal with teenagers. After columbine they also became trained to provide token protection against rampage shooters.

And yoy don't for a moment think that's pretty weird that you have to have such ? That ordinary police isn't enough ?

[BlackCat]

It turns out actually he just stole them from his mother.

That is what I'll call "legal" acces

[Hauldren Collider]

And yoy don't for a moment think that's pretty weird that you have to have such ? That ordinary police isn't enough ?

We don't put ordinary cops in to deal with teenagers because we want them to be lenient with youth. Just like how most universities have campus police departments. How is that unreasonable or weird?

Teenagers commit a lot of petty crimes because they're stupid teenagers. They generally grow out of it eventually. Punishing them through the ordinary adult justice system would lead to a lot of career criminals.