The Official 2012 Presidential Election Thread

[snoopy369]

Diddling kids.

Let's avoid things like this, please. Ad hominems are one thing, accusing someone of pedophilia is entirely over the top and inappropriate.

[Asher]

Fine then, if you've invested in a DOW JONES index fund since 2000, you've actually lost money in the last 12 years. Other funds, YMMV.

What are you even trying to argue?
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DJIA in 2008: 8852
DJIA today: 13093

Is your argument that Obama lost people money?

[Lorizael]

Well, it's not me, sorry.

Wait, are you claiming not to have reported any posts? Because that would make you a... yes, that's right, a lying sack of ****.

[Ben Kenobi]

You arbitrarily point to a high point.

Hence the term 'record high'.

[MRT144]

Let's avoid things like this, please. Ad hominems are one thing, accusing someone of pedophilia is entirely over the top and inappropriate.

I can't help it, he really sets himself up for some of these comments.

[Asher]

Let's avoid things like this, please. Ad hominems are one thing, accusing someone of pedophilia is entirely over the top and inappropriate.

Yeah, I agree.

We can all agree that Ben's sexual history, religious beliefs, desire for access to children unsupervised, country-fleeing traits indicate a strong suspicion, we can't prove it. It's not fair to call him a pedophile.

That said, if you're a parent and leave your child with him...you're an *******.

[giblets]

Fine then, if you've invested in a DOW JONES index fund since 2000, you've actually lost money in the last 12 years. Other funds, YMMV.

You still haven't provided any proof.

[Ben Kenobi]

Is your argument that Obama lost people money?

My argument is exactly what I said - that someone who invested in a DOW JONES index fund in 2000, has actually lost money 12 years later. If I have to qualify minus dividends then I will add that, as I'm not taking dividends into account.

[rah]

Asher, That is slightly distorted since it was almost as high in 2007 as it is now.

[Ben Kenobi]

You still haven't provided any proof.

Are you contesting that the inflation adjusted high for the DOW was in 2000 prior to the bursting of the dot com bubble?

http://inflation.us/images/dowjones.png

This is a pretty good chart. Shows that the present market has the same value as 1964 when taking inflation into account.

[MRT144]

Hence the term 'record high'.

Why choose that point when there have been fluctuations in the following years unrelated to Obama?

Why choose that point when you know that record highs were not gained without great costs?

Why use a price weighted index?


Furthermore, why not use some dollar cost averaging to get a better picture of returns, like any ****ing normal human would do in an investing environment.

[MRT144]

My argument is exactly what I said - that someone who invested in a DOW JONES index fund in 2000, has actually lost money 12 years later.

What about 10 years?

[Proteus_MST]

Which is what they do. Obamacare doesn't permit the option of the Catholic church setting up their own private health care.

AFAIK employees of the catholic church in germany (not sure about priests ... talking about normal employees like teachers or administration employees) aren´t forced to get a contract with a catholic insurance agency but are free to keep the health insurance contract they have (even if it is one from a national insurance agency).

Cannot say anything about Obamacare of course, but doesn´t it provide employers with the choice to
either provide their employees with a sufficient health insurance (meaning that is also can be from a private company)
or pay for Obamacare?

[giblets]

The DJIA averaged less than 11,000 in the year 2000 and is now at around 13,000 which is a 18% increase. Assuming blue chips give you a quarterly dividend of around .4% (guessing it's higher) and you reinvest those dividends over the past twelve years that's an extra 20% return on investment for a total of ~40%. Consumer price index is around 30% higher now than it was in 2000. If this is in an IRA it doesn't look like a loss of money to me.

[giblets]

Are you contesting that the inflation adjusted high for the DOW was in 2000 prior to the bursting of the dot com bubble?

http://inflation.us/images/dowjones.png

This is a pretty good chart. Shows that the present market has the same value as 1964 when taking inflation into account.

Yes, if you invested in Dow companies the stock prices haven't increased after adjusting for inflation. Try to wrap your ahead around the concept that companies pay dividends.