Apostolic Succession

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yep, backing up the first publication of the Vulgate.

Not entirely. Athanasius declared canon in 367. Pope Damasus commissioned the Vulgate in 382. The rest probably does. However, of course, the East had/has a slightly different canon.

Was I like this when I was a protestant, Imran?

I dunno. I wasn't a Christian when you were Protestant. I couldn't judge the specificity of the claims (nor did it interest me that much).

[Kidlicious]

The Vulgate is the bible, Kidicious. How can you be a protestant and believe that the biblical canon does not change? Luther changed the canon!

I don't believe in Luther's changes. Oh, and it's just fine if you I'm not a protestant according to your definition. It doesn't bother me. In fact, it's probably more accurate if you don't.

[Kidlicious]

If you don't believe in Easter, then you don't believe in the divinity of Christ. And if don't believe in the divinity of Christ, then you don't believe He could forgive sins or redeem Creation. Full stop.

I'll just respond to this this time since this is going nowhere. You are making up some arbitrary rule that I should follow to be a Christian very much like the Pharisees made up rules to follow on the Sabbath.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't believe in Luther's changes. Oh, and it's just fine if you I'm not a protestant according to your definition. It doesn't bother me. In fact, it's probably more accurate if you don't.

Well I'm sincerely curious now. Which bible do you use?

I use a Douay-Rheims for my own studies. I own a KJV, and an NIV, and I teach with a New American Bible.

[Kidlicious]

Well I'm sincerely curious now. Which bible do you use?

I use a Douay-Rheims for my own studies. I own a KJV, and an NIV, and I teach with a New American Bible.

The bible the apostles wrote or approved.

edit: I have a KJV, NIV, The Message and other bibles in digital form.

[Ben Kenobi]

The bible the apostles wrote.

Which is?

[Kidlicious]

Even if you accept that - the NT Canon wasn't set until Pope Damasus. That's why the Vulgate was so important, it was the first unified Canon.

The Oral Tradition ended when the bible was canonized or the bible was canonized when the Oral Tradition ended. You can't say the Vulgate was the bible because the Oral Tradition had not ended yet. It's kind of spliting hairs but whatever.

[Kidlicious]

Which is?

I believe in sola fide. The Oral Tradition ended with the canonization of the Bible. It doesn't change anymore.

[Ben Kenobi]

I believe in sola fide. The Oral Tradition ended with the canonization of the Bible. It doesn't change anymore.

Look, I'm sincerely curious. Do you own a paper bible? If you do, which edition do you prefer?

I have a KJV, NIV, The Message and other bibles in digital form.

Good. NIV is an excellent bible. I'd have sent you mine if you didn't have one of your own.

[Kidlicious]

Look, I'm sincerely curious. Do you own a paper bible? If you do, which edition do you prefer?

I don't prefer any one in particular. The NIV is mostly acceptable, but not in all cases. I think direct translation to English is problematic in some cases and not in others.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't prefer any one in particular. The NIV is mostly acceptable, but not in all cases. I think direct translation to English is problematic in some cases and not in others.

Well, I'm very fond of my NIV. I use it far more than I use any of the others. It was a gift from a good friend.

[Kidlicious]

Well, I'm very fond of my NIV. I use it far more than I use any of the others. It was a gift from a good friend.

My first Bible was KJV, given to me by a friend. I bought an NIV and thought it a very good Bible, but have found some areas that are better in the NASB like recently John 20. The NASB says the face cloth was rolled up when John looked into the tomb, but the NIV doesn't say that. I've read that the NASB is a better translation there. What do you think?

[Ben Kenobi]

I bought an NIV and thought it a very good Bible, but have found some areas that are better in the NASB like recently John 20. The NASB says the face cloth was rolled up when John looked into the tomb, but the NIV doesn't say that. I've read that the NASB is a better translation there. What do you think?

I don't believe I've ever used a NASB, so I can't compare the two.

For what I use a bible for, very rarely (say maybe 1,2 percent of the time), the NIV won't be sufficient and I'll need my KJV NT interlinear files. Another 1,2 percent for something that I need D-R for. Translation wise, as I work on my Latin, I like the D-R better. It's got a good mix that I like - accuracy, well written and, poetic I guess? It conveys a sense of mystery and wonder at least for me.

I love how the NIV does Job. I think that's the best book of the entire version.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't believe in Luther's changes. Oh, and it's just fine if you I'm not a protestant according to your definition. It doesn't bother me. In fact, it's probably more accurate if you don't.

What in the world? You don't believe in Luther's changes, but you don't like the Vulgate either? So which Bible do you believe in?

I'll just respond to this this time since this is going nowhere. You are making up some arbitrary rule that I should follow to be a Christian very much like the Pharisees made up rules to follow on the Sabbath.

A) The Pharisees didn't make up any rules - they just let those rules triumph over the spirit of the rules, ie they follow the letter of the law rather than the spirit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law

In the New Testament, Pharisees are seen as people who place the letter of the law above the spirit (Mark 2:3–28, 3:1–6). Thus, "Pharisee" has entered the language as a pejorative for one who does so; the Oxford English Dictionary defines Pharisee with one of the meanings as A person of the spirit or character commonly attributed to the Pharisees in the New Testament; a legalist or formalist.

B) It is usually considered part of being a Christian that you believe in the resurrection of Jesus (also known as Easter).

Well I'm sincerely curious now. Which bible do you use?

I use a Douay-Rheims for my own studies. I own a KJV, and an NIV, and I teach with a New American Bible.

I prefer the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), though I also like the New International Version (NIV). In addition, I own a New American Bible (NAB), New English Translation (NET), New English Bible (NEB), the Message, a TNIV (The Books of the Bible - without chapter or verse breaks), a King James Bible (KJV) a New Living Translation (NLT), and two New Testaments: The Voice New Testament and The Kingdom New Testament (both contemporary translations). I have 14 Bibles (including NTs) altogether (3 of them are NRSVs - one being the Oxford Annotated Version, another being the New Interpreter's Study Bible, and the final being a Notetaker's Bible).

[Hauldren Collider]

Wow Imran. I don't think you have enough Bibles. God might not think you are a true believer.