Do Republicans care about integrity, or is it a nuisance?

[Hauldren Collider]

If it makes you feel better, Kentonio, Paul Ryan has fairly humble roots.

[kentonio]

I just looked at the header here. I did say I skimmed, didn't I?

You did open teh door, can't blame me for enjoying the win.

If it makes you feel better, Kentonio, Paul Ryan has fairly humble roots.

True, he'd probably be a better person if some ****er hadn't bought him a copy of Atlas Shrugs.

[The Mad Monk]

Be that as it may, it does nothing to counter

Roosevelts. Kennedys.

[Ben Kenobi]

Good luck with your mission TMM.

Poverty doesn't really matter for understanding economics btw. What matters is that they agree with them. You know that, and I know that.

[Dinner]

Better a muslim than a 1%'er it seems.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...p_ref=politics

Almost 60% of Republican voters believe both that the President is a secret Muslim and that he was not born in the US. Oh, and just about the same percent (58%) of Republican voters are also young Earth Creationists who believe the Earth was magically made by god exactly how it is now just 6000 years ago. Worse these dumb ****s consistently say they want their religion taught in schools and claim the separation of church and state doesn't really exist and shouldn't stop them forcing their religious nonsense on public school kids. Yes, they're drooling idiots and they're an excellent reason to scorn anything done by the Republican Party.

Still, it makes me fearful for the future of America because people who have so completely decided to ignore facts & reality just can't be good; a population as ignorant or disinclined to rational thought as this is bound to have effects beyond their personal lives.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40435_Gallup_Poll-_58_of_Republicans_Are_Young_Earth_Creationists

[Dinner]

On top of all that it's just god damn embarrassing to have such a large portion of the population so abominably ignorant.

[kentonio]

Be that as it may, it does nothing to counter

Roosevelts. Kennedys.

You mean you skipped the part when I talked about the Kennedys earlier?

[rah]

What percentage of Dems believe Bush(or the government in general) planned 9/11?
Probably not 60% but still scary.

And yes reading that 60% and 58% is really embarrassing to the rest of us Repugs that know better.

[Ben Kenobi]

Still, it makes me fearful for the future of America because people who have so completely decided to ignore facts & reality just can't be good; a population as ignorant or disinclined to rational thought as this is bound to have effects beyond their personal lives.

Thank God for California, haven of rationality.

[DaShi]

You mean you skipped the part when I talked about the Kennedys earlier?

TMM can only read stuff by himself or conservative pundits.

[The Mad Monk]

You mean you skipped the part when I talked about the Kennedys earlier?

No, and I didn't skip rah's and Lorizael's responses, either. I had nothing to add.

[Aeson]

And presidents (and candidates) by and large do care about poor people, otherwise there'd be no point in going through what is thought to be the extraordinarily gruelling process of becoming and then being president. Unless they get a hard on for the nuclear football.

While presidents don't really need to have been poor to understand the plight of the poor, it's also very clear that there are a lot of other reasons for wanting to be president than just helping the poor. (Which probably is pretty low on the list for most of the candidates.)

[Pax]

My issues education number 1
infrastructure jobs national defense
then
just about everything else
for education alone i cannot vote republican

[molly bloom]

You've never heard of the Labour Party? Incidentally Margaret Thatcher was the daughter of a greengrocer and John Major's dad was a music hall performer. It's not considered unusual for us to elect politicians from working class or middle class backgrounds.

I do like how the great levelling democracy now requires many potentially successful politicians to have vast amounts of funds at their disposal in order to be elected.

The U.K. on the other hand manages to get by with, as you said, people from the working class or lower middle classes- Cameron is like a throwback to early 20th Century Conservatism.

[molly bloom]

I just skimmed down the list of Labour party leaders.

Ramsay MacDonald is the only one that comes close. The rest look middle class or better. Even Millibrand was violinist in school.

You're having a laugh mate.

Keir Hardie- illegitimate and began working like as a delivery boy for a baker. Not quite a Roosevelt or Bush.

Clement Attlee- although he may have had a fairly normal middle class upbringing, he changed from being a barrister to being a social worker in some of the most deprived areas of London's East End. That's not only a big drop in salary, but a huge change in lifestyle and outlook.

George Lansbury- Christian Socialist, pacifist and agitator for women's suffrage- son of a railway contractor, and began his working life at the age of eleven, the first in a variety of low paid jobs including working in a coffee shop and grocer's. He did become a journalist, but it's not as though he was working for Vanity Fair or Cosmopolitan- not with words like these:

...most of my days have been spent trying to help forward the cause of the common people, to whom I am proud to belong.

Lansbury was also willing to risk imprisonment for his principles- his belief in the right of women to vote and the equalization of rates across the London Boroughs.

Even Millibrand was violinist in school.

I hadn't realized there was a class restriction for musical talent.

Hugh Gaitskell may, like Clement Attlee, have come from a conventional middle class background, but I rather suspect working in the W.E.A. as a tutor for mineworkers may have radically altered his outlook on life too.

James Callaghan- civil service worker, from an impoverished background and also ex-Royal Navy- again, hardly wealthy, middle class or even comfortably off.

I ain't going through the whole lot- just the ones that come to mind.