Do Republicans care about integrity, or is it a nuisance?

[Imran Siddiqui]

This

[Hauldren Collider]

Think about it. It's purely a definitional thing. When you say "the ends don't justify the means", what you're saying is that there is some consequence to an "evil" way of doing something that makes it worse than the "good" way. I consider this consequence an "end" and thus it would not be justified because the ends would be negative. Make sense?

[Imran Siddiqui]

So you are deciding to redefine commonly understood phrases Ben-Kenobi-style?

Besides, you didn't decide to address the actual point of that post anyways.

[Hauldren Collider]

So you are deciding to redefine commonly understood phrases Ben-Kenobi-style?

I think the way it is commonly understood is meaningless. It's basically just saying, "it's not okay to ignore the evil consequences of stuff that you do." Duh?

Besides, you didn't decide to address the actual point of that post anyways.

I decided being pedantic was more fun.

Now all that being said, I am not Mr. Ends Justify the Means, I am in fact Mr. Ends Justify the Motives. Or more precisely, Mr. Ends Justify and Motives are Irrelevant.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think the way it is commonly understood is meaningless. It's basically just saying, "it's not okay to ignore the evil consequences of stuff that you do." Duh?

So if its such a "duh" why do people constantly ignore evil consequences of stuff they do because of a "end"?

I decided being pedantic was more fun.

Thanks for conceeding.

[Hauldren Collider]

So if its such a "duh" why do people constantly ignore evil consequences of stuff they do because of a "end"?

Because not everyone does good things or understands the relative value of stuff.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You can't seriously be this naive.

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm saying not everyone is a good person. How's that a naive viewpoint?

Just because they think they are good people doing good things doesn't mean they are. Once again, motives are irrelevant.

[DaShi]

I hope HC never grows up. I want him to be like this after college.

[giblets]

Somebody who thinks the ends don't justify the means has a flawed understanding of the meaning of the word "ends". All consequences are ends.

Yeah, and I'm sure you've considered the full consequences of your ends. Greed has no negative side effects.

[giblets]

I'm saying not everyone is a good person. How's that a naive viewpoint?

Just because they think they are good people doing good things doesn't mean they are. Once again, motives are irrelevant.

Of course motives matter. If you want to live in a just society, anyway. Or if you want to find a head of state you can trust to do the right thing.

[Kidlicious]

Somebody who thinks the ends don't justify the means has a flawed understanding of the meaning of the word "ends". All consequences are ends.

You actually have the worst understanding of christianity that if ever seen. How can someone be so ignorant of christianity when so many people in our country are christian?

[kentonio]

Better a muslim than a 1%'er it seems.

LYNCHBURG, Va., Sept 11 (Reuters) - Sheryl Harris, a voluble 52-year-old with a Virginia drawl, voted twice for George W. Bush. Raised Baptist, she is convinced -- despite all evidence to the contrary -- that President Barack Obama, a practicing Christian, is Muslim.

So in this year's presidential election, will she support Mitt Romney? Not a chance.

"Romney's going to help the upper class," said Harris, who earns $28,000 a year as activities director of a Lynchburg senior center. "He doesn't know everyday people, except maybe the person who cleans his house."

She'll vote for Obama, she said: "At least he wasn't brought up filthy rich."

White lower- and middle-income voters such as Harris are wild cards in this vituperative presidential campaign. With only a sliver of the electorate in play nationwide, they could be a deciding factor in two southern swing states, Virginia and North Carolina.

Reuters/Ipsos polling data compiled over the past several months shows that, across the Bible Belt, 38 percent of these voters said they would be less likely to vote for a candidate who is "very wealthy" than one who isn't. This is well above the 20 percent who said they would be less likely to vote for an African-American.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...p_ref=politics

[The Mad Monk]

Filthy rich like the Roosevelts, or filthy rich like Nixon?

[rah]

I'd love to be as poor as Obama.