Do Republicans care about integrity, or is it a nuisance?

[rah]

Why would people want to be represented by someone who had literally no concept of the kind of lives they lead? Why would they assume that persons policies will help them in any way? People vote for the president who they think will improve their lives, and how can someone improve something they don't even understand?

I love the way you assume that Obama understands.

[DinoDoc]

I love the way you assume that Obama understands.

Has he even held a private sector job at anytime in his life?

[kentonio]

Which brings us back to the Roosevelts and Kennedys.

The Kennedys who did a great job of relating to normal people despite their upbringing?

You just lumped all the GOP rich people together. They are not all the same. Geeze.

I didn't say they were all the same, I asked for an example of some who had shown they cared about the lives of poor folk. Surely it can't be that hard a request?

I love the way you assume that Obama understands.

It doesn't matter what I assume, it matters what the American public assume and when people are polled about this they say Obama can relate and Romney can't.

[kentonio]

Has he even held a private sector job at anytime in his life?

Has Paul Ryan?

[Lorizael]

Why would people want to be represented by someone who had literally no concept of the kind of lives they lead? Why would they assume that persons policies will help them in any way? People vote for the president who they think will improve their lives, and how can someone improve something they don't even understand?

People can understand things they haven't directly experienced. We have this thing called language that allows us to communicate ideas, feelings, facts, etc.

[rah]

I didn't say they were all the same, I asked for an example of some who had shown they cared about the lives of poor folk. Surely it can't be that hard a request?

After you give examples of those that don't. (with proof)

[giblets]

People can understand things they haven't directly experienced. We have this thing called language that allows us to communicate ideas, feelings, facts, etc.

Exactly. If a blind person read everything about optics and how eyes work they would understand sight.

[Lorizael]

Exactly. If a blind person read everything about optics and how eyes work they would understand sight.

They'd understand everything but the qualia of sight, yes. And they might even gain the technical know-how to build telescopes, glasses, microscopes, and all sorts of other devices that improve sight, even though they don't possess it themselves.

[Ben Kenobi]

Has Paul Ryan?

So you're saying that Paul Ryan is a man of the people, just like Obama? Interesting.

[kentonio]

People can understand things they haven't directly experienced. We have this thing called language that allows us to communicate ideas, feelings, facts, etc.

Sure, which is why people like the Kennedys managed to bridge that divide, because they made the effort to understand and it showed through their speech and actions. If Romney understands then why does this not communicate itself when he speaks? Is the prospective president just a terrible communicator?

After you give examples of those that don't. (with proof)

You've never seen a Mitt or Ann Romney interview?

[DinoDoc]

Has Paul Ryan?

He's not at the top of the ticket. However, he has the bonus of being the one Veep choice this election that doesn't sound as if he needs a neurological exam.

[rah]

You've never seen a Mitt or Ann Romney interview?

Yes I have. And while their examples aren't the same, I don't equate that with they don't want to help poor people any less than Obama.
You're painting them as uncaring people because they haven't experienced being poor.

[kentonio]

He's not at the top of the ticket. However, he has the bonus of being the one Veep choice this election that doesn't sound as if he needs a neurological exam.

No, he's just being roundly laughed at in the media for being dishonest, childlike and not nearly as clever as everyone thought he was. It's reached the point now where people are making lighthearted comparisons to Palin. It's quite amazing how thoroughly shredded the Ryan brand has become in a few short weeks. Amazing and hilarious.

Yes I have. And while their examples aren't the same, I don't equate that with they don't want to help poor people any less than Obama.
You're painting them as uncaring people because they haven't experienced being poor.

I'm painting them as uncaring because Romneys policies unduly hurt poor people and help the rich. The fact that he expresses himself publically as completely out of touch with the people who his policies would hurt just provides an explanation for why he seems so completely bemused by the backlash.

[Lorizael]

Sure, which is why people like the Kennedys managed to bridge that divide, because they made the effort to understand and it showed through their speech and actions. If Romney understands then why does this not communicate itself when he speaks? Is the prospective president just a terrible communicator?

I don't think the president needs to be able to relate to poor people; I think the president needs to understand poverty. And if Romney's education and experience grant him that understanding, then great. (Still not voting for Romney, btw.)

[kentonio]

I don't think the president needs to be able to relate to poor people; I think the president needs to understand poverty. And if Romney's education and experience grant him that understanding, then great. (Still not voting for Romney, btw.)

Does his education and experience grant him that understanding?