Do Republicans care about integrity, or is it a nuisance?

[Asher]

I'd love to know how you demonstrate this. You use the word "demonstrably", that implies that you have some non-subjective basis for saying this.

Let's see...

1) Lower crime
2) Higher life expectancy
3) Higher standards of living
4) Usually at or near the top of international "best places to live" lists
5) More highly educated
6) Higher voter turnout
7) More social freedoms
8) Campaign finance laws that prohibit obscene media blitzes and the like funded by corporate interests
9) Voters can choose from more than two parties which are likely to be elected, so they can vote for a party that is more inline with their beliefs rather than viewed as the "least evil" party
10) Have you honestly ever paid attention to a US presidential election? The whole system of electoral colleges, bigoted candidates who do nothing but spew rhetoric and bald-faced lies, and an alarming tendency to prance around social and religious issues rather than issues of substance

Let's face it, you guys have Obama vs Romney. It's a ****show.

Romney's now calling half of Americans victims who don't pay taxes or something. It's epicly ****ing retarded that he's the best assclown the GOP could've pulled out of an elephant's ass.

[Zevico]

Let's see...
7) More social freedoms
...10) [The US has] an alarming tendency to prance around social and religious issues rather than issues of substance

Physician, heal thyself.

[Asher]

You don't understand.
I am not surprised.

[Zevico]

nevermind.

[Asher]

Linkin Park wasn't around in the mid 90s, the era of that photo.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Looks to me like Iowa present day. They are at least 10-15 years behind the present day trends.

[Uncle Sparky]

[regexcellent]

7) More social freedoms
8) Campaign finance laws that prohibit obscene media blitzes and the like funded by corporate interests

That's contradictory.

Incidentally, we also have much stronger free speech and much stronger gun rights than Canada, so you're just flat-out wrong in the rights issue.

9) Voters can choose from more than two parties which are likely to be elected, so they can vote for a party that is more inline with their beliefs rather than viewed as the "least evil" party

But the Bloc is not national and the NDP is socialist so you're back to square one.

Let's face it, you guys have Obama vs Romney. It's a ****show.

So what you're telling me is that Harper vs. Ignatieff is better?

[C0ckney]

But the Bloc is not national and the NDP is socialist so you're back to square one.

that doesn't even make sense. if someone wishes to vote for a socialist or a separatist, they can. it's called democracy.

although of course canada (like the UK and most anglophone countries) uses a first past the post system which does inhibit people from expressing their real political preferences.

So what you're telling me is that Harper vs. Ignatieff is better?

it was harper vs ignatieff vs layton (whose party became the official opposition). so yes, it's better in that people had more choices.

[Tupac Shakur]

Report: There's More Economic Freedom in Canada Than the U.S.

Canada

Bush/Obama's America

[regexcellent]

that doesn't even make sense. if someone wishes to vote for a socialist or a separatist, they can. it's called democracy.

You can, but why would you want to?

[Uncle Sparky]

You can, but why would you want to?

I vote NDP because I rarely have a Communist to vote for. In the US if there was a seperate Tea Party for Guns and Jesus Party, don't you think they would garner a lot of votes? As it is, special interest groups in the US have to buy into the big tent parties, them move them in the direction they want - that is why, over the last 25 years the Repugs have become synonymous with the Christian Right and the NRA, at least to observers outside America.

Canada also currently has elected Green, Wild Rose Alliance, Saskatchewan Party, Yukon Party, Québec solidaire and Coalition Avenir Québec party members.

[Wezil]

I vote Libertarian or Freedom Party when they are on the ballot (more often than not).

[Asher]

That's contradictory.

Incidentally, we also have much stronger free speech and much stronger gun rights than Canada, so you're just flat-out wrong in the rights issue.

You don't seem to understand what social rights are.

Social rights do not include owning nuclear weapons and carrying concealed weapons in public places. Nor do they include rules governing what corporations can do in a public democracy (which, contrary to GOP belief, does exist to serve the people and not large corporations).

Perhaps you have inadvertently touched on the core issue - Americans are so far down their rabbithole they don't even know what real freedom is. You obsess yourselves with the rights to own various guns and be able to carry them with you at all times, the rights to protest the funerals of fallen soldiers and homosexuals, and the rights for corporations to sway the outcome of an election for their own gains. Those actions typically hurt freedom more than it can help it.

Are you really more free in America where you're far more likely to be murdered? Are you really more free in America when you're in debt up to your eyeballs to pay for your emergency appendectomy? Are you really more free in America because Halliburton can buy its way into wealthy contracts at the expense of the American people?

You guys are getting ****ed up the ass, and you ****ing like it.

But the Bloc is not national and the NDP is socialist so you're back to square one.

Huh? The Bloc isn't national, but what's your point? There's parties like the Greens also. Look at Canada's election results.

So what you're telling me is that Harper vs. Ignatieff is better?

Yes.

I honestly believe both Harper and Ignatieff are brighter and more noble men than either Obama or Romney. Easily.

In Canada a different kind of politician bubbles to the top. The American system is so ****ing broken you get what you're getting now. And the great thing is, most of you deserve it.

[Asher]

it was harper vs ignatieff vs layton (whose party became the official opposition). so yes, it's better in that people had more choices.

As much as I disagreed with Layton's policies, he was a nice man.

He went to the same gym as I did when I lived in Toronto. I had a couple conversations with him in the steamroom over the years, as he was always chatty.

You don't get classy characters like Layton in the US. Ever.