What rights do I have?

[Felch]

You mean the war of Yankee aggression? You say that as if the constitution didn't explicitly state that states have the right to secede. Still do, btw.

Explicitly? I don't think it means what you think it means.

EDIT: Damnit, Oerdin.

[Dinner]

Explicitly? I don't think it means what you think it means.

EDIT: Damnit, Oerdin.

HAHA!

[Ben Kenobi]

1. Hawaii was a territory

Ok, so it's NOT part of the US. Which I believe I said. Can't have it both ways.

2. We did not defend it from the Japanese attack

You're going to tell all the men and women who died fighting off the Zeros at Pearl Harbour that they didn't try to defend themselves? Balderdash. They tried, and they lost.

and only through luck did we avoid being completely shut out of the Pacific Theater during WWII

So had things worked out differently Japan would have won? Balderdash.

Took less than a year for the US to get everything going and shift the Pacific war in their favour. The defeat at Midway crushed the Japanese, and from then on they were fighting a losing effort to hold off the US.

9 months. That's not very long at all in the grand scheme of things. Japan just didn't have the manpower or the productive capacity or the natural resources to sustain a war against the US.

3. All subsequent battles were not fought in anything that will ever become a state of the United States

But they were territories too. That's the point. How do you draw a distinction between Hawaii and Guam? Both were territories at the time, both were sovereign american territory, both were attacked by the Japanese.

4. I don't think firebombing civilians is a credible form of defense.

I didn't ask what you thought *isn't* credible defense. I asked you what *is* credible defense.

[Dinner]

The video even looks like San Diego.

[Ben Kenobi]

Explicitly? I don't think it means what you think it means.

10th Amendment is pretty explicit:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

[Ben Kenobi]

Alright dumbass. Please quote the part of the constitution which "explicitly says states have the right to secede". Or better yet simply kill yourself for being stupid and save us all the trouble.

10th Amendment? Or does your 'constitution' lack that one?

[giblets]

Explicitly? I don't think it means what you think it means.

EDIT: Damnit, Oerdin.

And you were proven right.

[Felch]

That's implicit. Explicit means, "Fully and clearly expressed; leaving nothing implied." The Tenth Amendment is many things, but it is not explicit.

Thanks, grib.

[Felch]

For the record, I believe that States have the power to secede from the Union, and I believe that this power is protected by the Tenth Amendment. I just don't think that it is explicit.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's implicit. Explicit means, "Fully and clearly expressed; leaving nothing implied." The Tenth Amendment is many things, but it is not explicit.

Well the history behind the amendment is pretty clear. This is different from many other things that have been tacked on as time goes on, Ie, the 'implicit right' to privacy, etc.

Can you see where I'm coming from here? You are correct that one meaning of 'implicit' vs 'explicit' is yours. Another is 'the meaning intended by the authors'.

[giblets]

im·plic·it

   [im-plis-it] Show IPA
adjective 1. implied, rather than expressly stated: implicit agreement.

2. unquestioning or unreserved; absolute: implicit trust; implicit obedience; implicit confidence.

3. potentially contained (usually followed by in ): to bring out the drama implicit in the occasion.

4. Mathematics . (of a function) having the dependent variable not explicitly expressed in terms of the independent variables, as x ² + y ² = 1. Compare explicit ( def. 6 ) .

5. Obsolete . entangled.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/implicit

[Hauldren Collider]

You mean the war of Yankee aggression? You say that as if the constitution didn't explicitly state that states have the right to secede. Still do, btw.

Why is a Canadian calling it the War of Yankee Aggression? This is baffling.

Furthermore, a couple of points: 1. I think most people who live in the deep south usually call it the War Between The States if they think Civil War sounds too anti-southern. There aren't that many people still butthurt enough about it to claim it was Northern aggression.

2. It's the war of northern aggression, no one calls it the war of yankee agression.

Ben is a confusing person. He has no ties to the south aside from living in ****ing San Antonio for all of a year, but he sympathizes with the Confederacy and is an apologist for all forms of bigotry. Actually, those two might be connected. Ben, my only conclusion can be that you're a racist, ignorant buffoon. If you were born in Mobile, Alabama I'd probably just say you were an ignorant buffoon for being a Confederate apologist.

[Dinner]

For the record, I believe that States have the power to secede from the Union, and I believe that this power is protected by the Tenth Amendment. I just don't think that it is explicit.

I believe they have the right to try just as the Federal government's Army has the right to "persuade" them to stay. Sure, maybe some Texans on horse back might try but I think they'll fail when faced by Bradley fighting vehicles and M1-A2 tanks not to mention the might of the U.S. Air Force.

[Hauldren Collider]

Ben is the main problem with being a pro-states rights guy. It's very hard to argue intellectual points when in the background the people who apparently support you are having oral diarrhea. This is very annoying. If I could eliminate the stupid people who (partially) agree with me I think the job would be much easier.

[Hauldren Collider]

I believe they have the right to try just as the Federal government's Army has the right to "persuade" them to stay. Sure, maybe some Texans on horse back might try but I think they'll fail when faced by Bradley fighting vehicles and M!-A2 tanks not to mention the might of the U.S. Air Force.

Depends on the loyalty of the National Guard. They could plausibly be more loyal to Texas than the US in a hypothetical scenario where Texas felt it should secede.