A Thread on Race and Multiculturalism for Hera

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's not a strawman, Imran. It's a legitimate question. I believe that anyone who prefers sharia should stay in their own country and not come to America. If you're going to come to America, you should want to live the way that she does.

It is only fair then to deport anyone who thinks we should have prayer in public schools, because that is obviously against the Constitution and thusly anti-American.

[Ben Kenobi]

It is only fair then to deport anyone who thinks we should have prayer in public schools, because that is obviously against the Constitution and thusly anti-American.

Actually, the constitution says nothing about barring prayer from schools.

[notyoueither]

Uh, again, the topic was the whole anglosphere, and yes, part of the reason that the laws were different in the US is because of the laws prior to emancipation in the UK which limited Catholic participation in public affairs, and actually made it a crime to be a priest in the UK.



Which sorta was my point, natch. But then you couldn't call me a dumbass while making people believe that you were actually agreeing with me at the same time...

I'm calling you an ignorant moron because you were addressing a statement about life in 18th-19th century North America with information about life in the UK.

I'm also calling you an ignorant moron because you supposedly teach history yet you display a spectacular selective ignorance of the discipline. For instance the Quebec Act is part of our Constitution, so you might have read up on it.

[giblets]

I'm not so sanguine about the use of the courts to enforce against the will of the people in America. I think it's very likely that a case would be taken up, and ruled in favour of sharia. I expect to see it in a short time.

Maybe you should get out of here before you fall under sharia domination then.

[rah]

When's the last time the people got a chance to vote on anything? Anytime big, controversial changes come through, they usually keep the people as far out of the decision as possible, so that the courts can enforce them. (Being unelected, natch). There's nothing that would require an actual election to get sharia instituted in the US, it could take as little as an EO, backed up by the courts.

AGAIN that had nothing to do with what I posted. I was talking about the legislative branch of government proposing laws. Gee what a concept.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm calling you an ignorant moron because you were addressing a statement about life in 18th-19th century North America with information about life in the UK.

Actually, the argument I did make is that using Catholics as an example of religious tolerance is inaccurate because of the laws in the UK at the time. An entirely correct statement, notwithstanding the Quebec Act.

I'm also calling you an ignorant moron because you supposedly teach history yet you display a spectacular selective ignorance of the discipline. For instance the Quebec Act is part of our Constitution, so you might have read up on it.

Uh, where did I reference the BNA Act anywhere in my post? Look, you're making the exact same argument I made, that things are different in North America, because of the different regulations vis a vis religious freedoms.

You just would rather call me a moron than give credit where credit is due.

[Ben Kenobi]

Maybe you should get out of here before you fall under sharia domination then.

As a Russian friend once said. It is not so bad for us, because there is America. But Americans have nowhere else to go.

[giblets]

As a Russian friend once said. It is not so bad for us, because there is America. But Americans have nowhere else to go.

America is the last place without sharia law now?

[giblets]

Actually, the argument I did make is that using Catholics as an example of religious tolerance is inaccurate because of the laws in the UK at the time. An entirely correct statement, notwithstanding the Quebec Act.



Uh, where did I reference the BNA Act anywhere in my post? Look, you're making the exact same argument I made, that things are different in North America, because of the different regulations vis a vis religious freedoms.

You just would rather call me a moron than give credit where credit is due.

Where did you make that argument?

[Ben Kenobi]

Gribbler:

One of the reasons why the American constitution works the way it does is because of the laws in the UK at the time.

Not clear enough for you?

[giblets]

Gribbler:



Not clear enough for you?

You were responding to this:

The English did not enforce all of their church and culture on those they conquered, and did not force later new comers to drop everything they came with.

And said:

Uh, yeah they did, which is one of the reasons why the Americans wrote their constitution the way that they did.

When in fact, the English decided to tolerate Catholics in Quebec when they conquered Quebec. It's not clear to me why you were disputing NYE's assertion that the English didn't enforce their church on those they conquered if you were aware of the Quebec Act.

[Ben Kenobi]

When in fact, the English decided to tolerate Catholics in Quebec when they conquered Quebec. It's not clear to me why you were disputing NYE's assertion that the English didn't enforce their church on those they conquered if you were aware of the Quebec Act.

The Catholics were there first in England. So yes, they did impose their religion on areas they conquered.

[giblets]

The Catholics were there first in England. So yes, they did impose their religion on areas they conquered.

I'm confused. Are you saying the English conquered themselves?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actually, the constitution says nothing about barring prayer from schools.

The Establishment Clause of course does. The same thing that bans sharia law.

[notyoueither]

I'm also calling you an ignorant moron because you supposedly teach history yet you display a spectacular selective ignorance of the discipline. For instance the Quebec Act is part of our Constitution, so you might have read up on it.

Uh, where did I reference the BNA Act anywhere in my post?

Ignorant moron.

http://nides.bc.ca/Assignments/Canada/Paper12/Constitution.htm

The most important parts of Canada's written Constitution include the following:

the Quebec Act of 1774, which guaranteed the use of the French language and civil law in Quebec;

the Constitutional Act of 1791, which created elected assemblies in Quebec and Ontario;

the British North America Act of 1867, which created the basis of the federal system and laid down the division of powers between federal and provincial governments. This Act was renamed the Constitution Act, 1867 in 1982;