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  • So both of you are weak minded drones. Congrats !
    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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    • You imbecile, not every thought that comes across one's mind is their stated reasonable position.
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      • And yet the combination of those "repressed" type of thoughts has led the most shining examples of human atrocity.
        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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        • Good God, you are a self-righteous, pretentious ass. It is me. I am Hitler.
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          • I thought you were dead?
            Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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            • Originally posted by Az View Post
              It is me. I am Hitler.
              Not that far off actually
              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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              • Trolled... during lunch.... nooo........
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                • Originally posted by Az View Post
                  I think I know where he is coming from. Even as an atheist, he still has arab mid-eastern cultural heritage, and Islam, in its dominance plays a strong part in it. To see someone, even though not of muslim middle-eastern heritage, converting, is in his unlogical subconscious, an act of betrayal.

                  I often find myself thinking similar thoughts about Jews converting to Christianity, even though I am an atheist/agnostic.
                  Imran Siddiqui is of Muslim heritage, though.
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • Yes, of course. So? this is my point. You don't define yourself as muslim, by faith, however when a muslim (even nominally only) converts, it bothers you. Why is this the case? It is because socio-cultural identities and religious ones are deeply intertwined, since both define norms of social and personal behavior.

                    In my opinion, this is really screwy, even in globe trotting religions such as Xianity and Islam. Xianity has warped outside its Euro-mid-western habitats, But in Islam this is even harder:

                    While Islam is a world-wide religion, one cannot distance themselves from the fact that its roots are deeply mid-eastern. You cannot have a copy of its holy scripture which is not in Arabic, and claim it to be authentic, even. Isn't this the case?

                    This dissonance is deepened by the fact that Islam is also deeply political, i.e. one cannot even attempt to distance their faith from civil society, like Christians claim ( a claim weakened in the centralized catholic faith). And yet, the leading Muslim political forces and powerhouses haven't been Arab in culture for almost a millennium (Berbers, Mameluks, Persians, Turks, Indian Subcontinent )

                    The ones, suffering the most of it are not the "newcomers" to the religion, but the ones who self-identify culturally as Arabs, since they have been the one who lost the true political power, while still being given lip service to the importance of Arab culture by all other dwellers of Islam as a domain of socio-religious thought.
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                    • If anything I have more respect for someone who has changed faith rather than stuck with whatever they were brought up in, 'cause at least they've thought about it.

                      Although not so sure if it's just to get a girl.
                      Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                      Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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                      • MikeH Of course, the best thing is changing to [whateveribelievein].
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                        • Who goes from atheist to Christian? Who goes from Muslim to Christian, for that matter? Yes, I'm sure these things happen but doesn't atheist to religious sound odd? And conversion from Islam to Christianity is so beyond the traditional Islamic experience it is bizarre. Christians convert to Islam. Muslims do not convert to Christianity.

                          And let's get real. A Muslim-raised atheist Pakistani in Georgia who loves this Christian girl... hmm... Georgia... something tells me the atheist, Muslim-born Pakistani with the white Christian girl wasn't going to fly in that community.

                          I know I look really bad criticizing someone's personal decision of faith but I don't think Imran wasn't pressured by his surroundings.
                          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                          • As an athiest I don't think any of those things sound odd.

                            They may not happen frequently, but they happen often enough to be normal. And certainly conversion when marrying someone of another denomination or faith is not uncommon.

                            Certainly dating someone with another faith is a common way to be exposed to something new, which can lead to a conversion.
                            Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                            Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                            We've got both kinds

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                            • I probably disagree with everyone on this topic. My position is that there are no real monocultures anymore, but that there are failed multicultural experiments for sure.

                              My main issue is that when different ethnic groups clash, that it is often interpreted as a cultural clash. Well, sometimes it happens. Sometimes it's Islam, or some other religion, that wants tighter rules on something or wants to influence how kids are to be taught something. But this sounds very familiar, this applies to other religions as well.

                              Is culture the same thing as religion?

                              I don't mind people of different background, we just need one rule: let others do what they want, don't bother them, they don't bother you. IF someone gets offended by your existence or by what you do, they can go to hell. If you don't like what they do, change the channel, turn off the radio, instead do what you do, just don't bother others with your nonsense.

                              Because we are all nonsensical buttheads. We should not limit or try to influence, especially by "OH I'M SO OFFENDED..."... the offended people crying about how offensive something is should 1) go **** themselves or in case that fails, 2) kill themselves.

                              If someone doesn't like some random muslim, hey, that's cool, you don't have to spread the hate about it. Maybe he or she doesn't like you. Treat everyone with respect, mind your own business, support and help if someone needs help about doing their thing if you can and have the time and resources. If this proves to be impossible, we have found the problem and the cultural, ethnic, religious or whatever background that person has, it just doesn't matter. They think their **** is more important than your ****. They put barriers and try to shape the world according to how they want it, instead of sharing the world with all of us, letting everyone of us do what we do. To claim ownership of the world, thought or what is offensive and what is not offensive and what kind of action that kind of behaviour justifies is BS.

                              Also, the biggest BS in this country lately is how people are feeling hate. So what? It's a feeling. If it actualizes into action, THAT is wrong. I can think or feel what ever I want. That's just mind police stuff already. THAT I do hate. That said, I hate no one, except I get mad sometimes listening to people who are super liberal. Idiot racists don't make sense either, but they don't even try. Super liberal types are just hateful ****s who spread REAL hate. They truly don't like anyone else except people who agree with them. That's not exactly being very liberal. I could punch those peoples faces inside out every day but then again I don't want to bother them, none of my business how stinky they can get, throwing stupid nonsense garbage strawmen from their ivory towers. When the world is going to end, they will be the first ones to be eaten anyway.
                              Last edited by Pekka; August 15, 2011, 08:22.
                              In da butt.
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                              • , Al, it's amazing how even though you are not religious at all, you have kept that awesome Muslim chauvinistic approach. Is it ingrained from day 0 with you people.

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                                And conversion from Islam to Christianity is so beyond the traditional Islamic experience it is bizarre. Christians convert to Islam. Muslims do not convert to Christianity.

                                And let's get real. A Muslim-raised atheist Pakistani in Georgia who loves this Christian girl... hmm... Georgia... something tells me the atheist, Muslim-born Pakistani with the white Christian girl wasn't going to fly in that community.
                                hmmm, I am sure that a Muslim-raised girl, with a Christian-born European atheist is going to be accepted blazingly in the Muslim community. Of course, this is completely different ( It is completely different, she has solid chances of getting murdered by a cousin. FTW. )

                                I know I look really bad criticizing someone's personal decision of faith but I don't think Imran wasn't pressured by his surroundings.
                                But who isn't?
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