Christianity ruins families.

[Ben Kenobi]

Who? Mark? He says the last supper was on the "first day of unleavened bread, when they sacrificed the passover lamb" which is Nisan 14 (Exodus 12:6)

They are referring to different days.

The Feast of Unleavened bread is on the Thursday, the day before the crucifixion.

So you are right. The crucifixion occurs on Nisan 15.

The last supper on Nisan 14.

So what's the problem here? There's no discreprency. John is referring to the Friday, the feast of preparation. Matthew/Mark/Luke are referring to the feast of unleavened bread, the day before that. Two different days.

[giblets]

None of those passages say anything about Nisan 15.

Matthew:

Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Mark:

Feast of Unleavened Bread

Luke:

Feast of Unleavened Bread

The feast of unleavened bread, "when the passover lamb had to be sacrificed". When is the passover lamb sacrificed? The fourteenth day of the month. Meaning Jesus was crucified on the fifteenth.

Yes.

Goddamn.

There's no distinction between these two.

Feast of Unleavened Bread - Thursday - Last Supper
Day of Preparation - Friday - Crucifixion
Sabbath

I really don't understand why you aren't getting this. It's super clear.

When John says "day of preparation of the passover" how does that imply an ordinary, weekly "day of preparation"?

edit: I just remembered, in John during the last supper when Judas leaves, some people think he's going to buy stuff for the feast. But the synoptic gospels think the last supper was the feast.

edit2: how was Jesus inside the earth for three days and three nights?

[Imran Siddiqui]

If you really want an inconsistency, the easiest one is Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Two vastly different views of creation. But if you view it as a story of God's relation with man and don't look at it as something inerrant (ie, similar to how the Catholic Church sees it), it doesn't particular matter.

[Nikolai]

edit2: how was Jesus inside the earth for three days and three nights?

He died on friday, rose on sunday. Jews count the days differently than us, as did many other people of the day. So friday - saturday - sunday = three days.

[MOBIUS]

At this thread! At least it's keeping you all out of trouble...

[Ben Kenobi]

how was Jesus inside the earth for three days and three nights?

This is why john says,"the Jews didn't want crucifixions to last through to the sabbath."

He died on Friday afternoon at about 3pm.

He didn't resurrect until the Sunday morning. Jews count the days starting from nightfall, not midnight.

So you have Friday afternoon, day 1.

Friday evening, Saturday morning and afternoon, day 2

Saturday evening, Sunday morning, day 3.

[giblets]

That makes two nights, so I guess Jesus lied about being in the earth for three days and three nights.

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow, are you allergic to biblical citations, gribbler?

You were proven wrong about the first one.

Do you really want to be proven wrong again?

Where did Jesus say this?

[giblets]

1. I haven't been "proven wrong"
2. Matthew 12:40, now how about you stop being such a douchebag

[Ben Kenobi]

1. I haven't been "proven wrong"

You got owned on the timeline, which is why you switched topics.

2. Matthew 12:40, now how about you stop being such a douchebag

That's a reference to Jonah. No sign, except the sign of Jonah.

Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again

Everyone seems pretty clear. He was risen on the third day.

Now, who's he talking to in Matthew?

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

He's talking to the Pharisees.

I think this citation is making it very clear. This is a parable. No sign except the sign of Jonah.

[giblets]

You got owned on the timeline, which is why you switched topics.

Uhh, I never dropped the original topic. And you never proved my interpretation of John wrong. You just forced it fit your view, regardless of what it says. If someone read John, without having ever read the other gospels, I don't think they would arrive at your conclusion about John.

If Jesus is the "Son of Man" then I don't see how "the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" could mean something else. The Pharisees ask for a sign that he's the messiah and he says he'll be inside the earth for three days and three nights.

[Kidlicious]

If you really want an inconsistency, the easiest one is Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Two vastly different views of creation. But if you view it as a story of God's relation with man and don't look at it as something inerrant (ie, similar to how the Catholic Church sees it), it doesn't particular matter.

Yep, in fact the inconsistency is so obvious that it makes it more obvious that the importance of the scripture is human nature, relationship with God, and the meaning of life.

[Kidlicious]

But when He created Satan, Satan was not evil. The fall came later. Important distinction.

I don't take the account literally. I view Genesis, in part, as the story of the creation of humans, and the explaination of their nature and purpose. It doesn't matter to me, if Satan was originally created evil or not. What matters is that he is evil, according to the will of God.

You may say, "how is it God's purpose?" But ask yourself, why is the tree of knowledge in the Garden in the first place?

edit: God said, ""The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." Man's purpose is to become like God, that is to know good and evil, but also to choose good. God didn't just create Adam in an instant, anymore than he creates a mountain range in an instant. Adam is a work in progress.

[giblets]

You may say, "how is it God's purpose?" But ask yourself, why is the tree of knowledge in the Garden in the first place?

Okay, so what is the tree's purpose?

[Kidlicious]

Okay, so what is the tree's purpose?

The tree is a metaphor for desires of the flesh. Desires of the flesh exist to make us stronger.