Christianity ruins families.

[BlackCat]

Then perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on how the bible is inconsistant. If you aren't willing to stand by your assertion, what's the point of making them?

Ben, how are you expecting to been taken serious when you so blatantly misquotes someone ?

If I get Gribbler rigth, then he certainly is prepared to discuss the issue as long as the other side isn't :

a compulsively dishonest person who happens to be biased in favor of it.

[giblets]

Except they don't.

All of them say that the last supper occured two days before the sabbath, and that the crucifixion occured the day before the sabbath and the day after the last supper.

There's no contradiction.

Your whole argument revolves around the faulty assumption that the last supper occurred on the Passover.

Assumption? Matthew, Mark and Luke all say the last supper was a passover seder. So you have one source (synoptic gospels) that thinks Jesus died on passover and one that thinks he died the day before.

[BlackCat]

They went to break his legs so he would die faster, but they found that he was already dead. They poked a spear through his side, and congealed blood flowed out, indicating that he had died on the cross.

You didn't answer my question. Breaking a leg or two doesn't speed up the death, neither will a poke with a spear if it's just superficial.

[giblets]

You didn't answer my question. Breaking a leg or two doesn't speed up the death, neither will a poke with a spear if it's just superficial.

Not to mention he was already dead before they decided to do those things. So yes Jesus was a wimp.

[Ben Kenobi]

Assumption? Matthew, Mark and Luke all say the last supper was a passover seder. So you have one source (synoptic gospels) that thinks Jesus died on passover and one that thinks he died the day before.

They all say that the dinner happened on the thursday, two days before the Sabbath.

So there is no contradiction.

I think it's pretty funny, that for someone pointing out biblical inconsistancies, you've yet to actually cite a biblical passage which supports you.

[Ben Kenobi]

You didn't answer my question. Breaking a leg or two doesn't speed up the death, neither will a poke with a spear if it's just superficial.

Yes, breaking a leg prevents you from pulling yourself up when crucified. So you die from asphyxiation, rather than from exposure.

Christ was dead before he was poked by the spear. The spear confirmed his death on the cross.

[giblets]

They all say that the dinner happened on the thursday, two days before the Sabbath.

So there is no contradiction.

I think it's pretty funny, that for someone pointing out biblical inconsistancies, you've yet to actually cite a biblical passage which supports you.

" 12 And on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they sacrificed the Passover lamb, his disciples said to him, "Where will you have us go and prepare for you to eat the Passover?" 13And he sent two of his disciples and said to them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him, 14and wherever he enters, say to the master of the house, 'The Teacher says, Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 15And he will show you a large upper room furnished and ready; there prepare for us." 16And the disciples set out and went to the city and found it just as he had told them, and they prepared the Passover.

17 And when it was evening, he came with the twelve. 18And as they were reclining at table and eating, Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me, one who is eating with me." " (Mark 14:12-19, ESV)

You didn't even check. How much time in purgatory do you get for every lie you tell?

[Ben Kenobi]

And on the first day of Unleavened Bread,

Now, what does this say? On the Feast of the Unleavened bread.

Passover is 7 days, gribbler.

The seder occurred on the Thursday, Christ was executed on the day of Preparation, which is the day before the Sabbath.

There's no contradiction at all.

Why do you keep avoiding that word, the Sabbath? You've omitted it from my citation before.

[giblets]

Now, what does this say? On the Feast of the Unleavened bread.

Passover is 7 days, gribbler.

The seder occurred on the Thursday, Christ was executed on the day of Preparation, which is the day before the Sabbath.

There's no contradiction at all.

Why do you keep avoiding that word, the Sabbath? You've omitted it from my citation before.

It doesn't matter what day of the week the seder happened. The synoptics think Jesus was crucified on Nisan 15, the first day of passover, and John thinks he was crucified on Nisan 14, the day before passover. What is so difficult about this?

And the first day of passover is an annual sabbath... not necessarily the weekly sabbath a.k.a. Saturday

[Al B. Sure!]

gribbler, Ben is right about the breaking of legs to hasten death. That was a common 'mercy' practice for those who were crucified. Stabbing someone would also work too.

[giblets]

gribbler, Ben is right about the breaking of legs to hasten death. That was a common 'mercy' practice for those who were crucified. Stabbing someone would also work too.

BlackCat was saying it didn't, not me.

[Al B. Sure!]

BlackCat was saying it didn't, not me.

Blackcat, Albert, gribbler... same difference

[Ben Kenobi]

It doesn't matter what day of the week the seder happened.

That's the linchpin of your theory.

The synoptics think Jesus was crucified on Nisan 15, the first day of passover, and John thinks he was crucified on Nisan 14, the day before passover. What is so difficult about this?

Except, he doesn't say that at all. You've interpreted 'day before the sabbath' to be nisan 15. all he says is that Christ was executed on the day of preparation before the sabbath.

And the first day of passover is an annual sabbath... not necessarily the weekly sabbath a.k.a. Saturday

Which is why he doesn't say 'first day of passover'. He says, 'feast of preparation, during the passover.

[giblets]

That's the linchpin of your theory.

Huh?

Except, he doesn't say that at all. You've interpreted 'day before the sabbath' to be nisan 15. all he says is that Christ was executed on the day of preparation before the sabbath.

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the last supper is a passover seder (Matthew 26:17-19, Mark 14:12-16, Luke 22:7-13) putting the crucifixion on Nisan 15.

John on the other hand puts the crucifixion on Nisan 14 (John 19:14-16). It doesn't just say "day of preparation" but calls it "the day of preparation of the passover".

Which is why he doesn't say 'first day of passover'. He says, 'feast of preparation, during the passover.

Who? Mark? He says the last supper was on the "first day of unleavened bread, when they sacrificed the passover lamb" which is Nisan 14 (Exodus 12:6)

[Ben Kenobi]

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke the last supper is a passover seder (Matthew 26:17-19, Mark 14:12-16, Luke 22:7-13) putting the crucifixion on Nisan 15.

None of those passages say anything about Nisan 15.

Matthew:

Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Mark:

On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

Feast of Unleavened Bread

Luke:

Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

Feast of Unleavened Bread

John on the other hand puts the crucifixion on Nisan 14 (John 19:14-16). It doesn't just say "day of preparation" but calls it "the day of preparation of the passover".

No. Goddamn. Feast of preparation is Nisan 15.

Goddamn.

There's no distinction between these two.

Feast of Unleavened Bread - Thursday - Last Supper
Day of Preparation - Friday - Crucifixion
Sabbath

I really don't understand why you aren't getting this. It's super clear.