Ban on gay blood donors upheld by panel

[Asher]

Which is why they ask the question if you've had sex with men.

Heterosexuals get HIV without having sex with men, Ben.

[Ben Kenobi]

Give them a separate pool for bigotry.

A Christian only bloodbank.

Gee, I wonder if that would be in demand. Sounds like a great idea asher, I'm all for it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Heterosexuals get HIV without having sex with men, Ben.

1 in 200k chance.

[Asher]

1 in 200k chance.

Why do you continually pull numbers out of your ass?

[Ben Kenobi]

Female to male HIV transmission is very, very unlikely.

If you are a guy, don't sleep with other guys.

If you are a gal, don't sleep with guys who have slept with other guys.

Then you'll be fine.

[Asher]

Source your 1 in 200,000 or admit you made it up.

I like how you think HIV is only a gay problem. If you ever had sex, you'd be at risk for getting HIV out of pure ignorance alone.

[Ben Kenobi]

Boily MC, Baggaley RF, Wang L, Masse B, White RG, Hayes RJ, Alary M (February 2009). "Heterosexual risk of HIV-1 infection per sexual act: systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies". The Lancet Infectious Diseases 9 (2): 118–129

Says the risk is 0.02 percent, or 0.0002 for female to male HIV transmission.

[Asher]

Boily MC, Baggaley RF, Wang L, Masse B, White RG, Hayes RJ, Alary M (February 2009). "Heterosexual risk of HIV-1 infection per sexual act: systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies". The Lancet Infectious Diseases 9 (2): 118–129

Says the risk is 0.02 percent, or 0.0002 for female to male HIV transmission.

Where?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19179227

female-to-male (0.04% per act [95% CI 0.01-0.14]) and male-to-female (0.08% per act [95% CI 0.06-0.11])

****ing liar.

[Ben Kenobi]

95% CI 0.01-0.14.

There's these things called error bars, Asher.

[Asher]

Epic fail.

[Elok]

And that's all I'm arguing.

Right, because everyone knows that HIV is cured. Lo and behold, it's a miracle!

Wasn't your argument that I didn't understand HIV transmission? Clearly I do, because now you've come up with an entirely different argument to bash me with.

All the while still not addressing my point. AIDS reduces your life expectancy. Thanks for conceding the point.

This doesn't even begin to follow logically from anything I have said. I could try to clarify, but as you failed so spectacularly (and possibly deliberately) to understand what I said the first time, a second is unlikely to fix it. Therefore, in defense of my own sanity I'm going to simply employ your argument style myself and see if it helps me understand you better.

Ben, I don't know where you get off saying that gay blood causes an intolerance of sunlight, but it's pretty clear to me that, if gay men with nothing but gay blood in them can walk around at high noon without catching fire, men who have received a relatively minuscule donation are unlikely to suffer significant ill effects. I've already given you reputable sources showing that, on the contrary, vitamin D production shows a near-exact correlation with fondness for the C+C Music Factory hit "Everybody Dance Now." I'm going to take your failure to address this damning evidence as proof that I am right and you are wrong.

[Ben Kenobi]

Epic fail.

Maybe we should do more studies.

[giblets]

Ben's numbers aren't even inside the error bars.

[MrFun]

Well duh, because mistakes don't happen. Labs are perfect.

Then we should not have any blood donation system at all, period, because the same system is imperfect with straight people.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then we should not have any blood donation system at all, period, because the same system is imperfect with straight people.

If you could halve your risk by excluding 5 percent of your donors, would you do it?