How "Christian" of him!!

[Ben Kenobi]

You asked why sinners should be given the jobs. Since I'm sure every single person sins, it's a pretty epicly ****ing stupid question from a pretty epicly ****ing stupid guy.

I was asking Kid for his answer as to why sinners who aren't Catholic should be given the job over sinners who are Catholic. He seemed to be making an argument that the church should hire them.

As for sinners in general, I've already said only sinners who are repentent should be working for the church. The gay rights folks are not only unrepentant, but they are also manifest sinners, which is a whole different ball game.

You want to parade sin around, great. Don't do it with the Church.

[MrFun]

Sigh - in some threads, it's almost useless having BK on Ignore.

[Ben Kenobi]

Still claiming this about forcing the church to hire gay people, I see.

That is the point of 'employment discrimination' and 'equal benefits', no?

They want the church not only to hire gay people, but to pay for 'gay marriages' and give them benefits.

Since you've been corrected on this

Uh, where? Mr. Fun is the one who got the beatdown earlier in the thread. I've been following this case for months, well before it ever reached Poly's radar.

[Asher]

The Church considers homosexuality to be sinful. Stands to reason if you want to work for them, you should play ball, no?

Any man who masturbates or uses condoms should not be employed then, is that right?

[Boris Godunov]

Judas Iscariot has many disciples today, some of whom still walk among us.

That's not an argument. That isn't remotely an argument for what I said. That is you waving your hands and trying to distract from the point.

****, your dishonesty and dissembling is unbeatable.

Not to mention hypocrisy: we've all seen you sin here every day by lying, professing hatred, etc. and not repenting of it. You're no less of an unrepentant sinner than the homosexuals you attack, you just don't recognize it because you believe "Lying for Jesus" is acceptable.

[SlowwHand]

Almost. I would have doubts about hiring a man that I knew masturbated while wearing a condom, by whatever method I came to find out.

[SlowwHand]

And Judas got a bad deal, Ben. He was integral to the events and was emotionally crushed by them.

[Boris Godunov]

That is the point of 'employment discrimination' and 'equal benefits', no?

They want the church not only to hire gay people, but to pay for 'gay marriages' and give them benefits.

There's no stipulation in the law that the church has to hire gay people. None. They are not obligated to do so. Period.

Uh, where? Mr. Fun is the one who got the beatdown earlier in the thread. I've been following this case for months, well before it ever reached Poly's radar.

When I and others pointed out this wasn't about anyone being forced to hire gay people, which was told to you several times.

You KNOW that's not what the law says, but you persist because you think it's a valid argument, even though it's a complete strawman.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm in favor of a government not giving money to ANY organization that doesn't want to abide by the rules.

I'm in favour of no government money at all. To any of these organisations. If I'm paying for gay sex guides and condoms, I'm going to want the Catholic church to receive money too.

What's controversial about that? You want special treatment for churches, and I want everyone to be treated as equal.

No, you don't want everyone to be treated. the same You want special treatment for gays and lesbians, and you want to force organisations that do not want them involved to hire them.

You would be fine if the government said by law you had to hire Catholics, who are a minority, to 1/4 of the jobs in your organisation? To represent diversity?

I hate the evils committed by the church. I don't hate individuals within the church.

I hate the sin that gay people commit when they have sex with one another. How is there any difference? If gay people are willing to confess and repent, then that is to their credit. I've explicitly said that gay people who are willing to do so should be welcome to work for the church.

I'd NEVER ban someone from working for me or deny their spouse benefits just because he was Catholic.

How many Catholics do you currently employ?

That's the difference between you and me. So who's the hater?

Uh, I'm not the Church. I have hired gay people before. You might want to think twice before putting your foot in your mouth.

I will oppose the church trying to interfere in the lives and well-beings of others out of principle.

Then huff and puff and blow the church down! Keep at it Boris, you are really making a difference!

Anyone with a brain can see the influence of the Catholic church has been on the wane for centuries and continues to decline.

How so? The Catholic church is growing throughout the world. It's the west that is shrinking Boris. Can't you see? Open your eyes.

[Boris Godunov]

I'm saying, you want to work for God, you play by his rules. You want to work for yourself, play by your own. If your rules are more important than God's, then forget about working for him.

And here's what we're saying:

If you want money from the government, you play by the government's rules. If your rules are more important than the government's rules, then forget about getting money from them.

This is what makes you an enormous ****ing hypocrite.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's not an argument.

That your words mirror those of Judas Iscariot after all this time? I'd say that is quite an effective argument. Sell all the precious works of art in honour to our Lord and Saviour, and give to the poor.

How is your argument different from his in either spirit, motivation or content.

by lying

Is it a lie that the Catholic church professes that those who engage in homosexual relations commit sin?

professing hatred

Is it hatred that I compel those who choose to engage in such practices to repent from their sins and receive eternal blessings from Christ himself?

[Ben Kenobi]

If you want money from the government, you play by the government's rules.

Hence my response, 'Render unto Caesar'.

[Ben Kenobi]

Any man who masturbates

If he was manifest in his sin, and refused to repent, yes.

uses condoms

If he's having pre-marital sex, then yes, he should not be hired.

If he's using condoms in his marriage, then yes, I'd say the same as well.

Any other questions?

[Boris Godunov]

I'm in favour of no government money at all. To any of these organisations. If I'm paying for gay sex guides and condoms, I'm going to want the Catholic church to receive money too.

So are DC taxpayers paying for gay sex guides and condoms?

Even so, this is simply about everyone who receives money from the government following the same rules. You want exceptions for the church because of your ridiculous prejudices, and people with common sense are saying "no."

No, you don't want everyone to be treated. the same You want special treatment for gays and lesbians, and you want to force organisations that do not want them involved to hire them.

No, I don't, you lying sack of ****. As has been pointed out several times now, this law doesn't force anyone to hire anybody. You are a ****ing idiot.

I hate the sin that gay people commit when they have sex with one another. How is there any difference? If gay people are willing to confess and repent, then that is to their credit. I've explicitly said that gay people who are willing to do so should be welcome to work for the church.

Uh, the difference is that I'm not hating any individuals. You are. It's really simple.

How many Catholics do you currently employ?

Probably thousands, since my company is nationwide. At least 3 people in my office are Catholics, which represents about 1/3 of the people working in it. I have no objection to them working here nor to their spouses having benefits, because I'm not a hateful **** like you are.

Uh, I'm not the Church. I have hired gay people before. You might want to think twice before putting your foot in your mouth.

We're talking about the policy of the church, which you are supporting, you absolute moron.

Then huff and puff and blow the church down! Keep at it Boris, you are really making a difference!

How so? The Catholic church is growing throughout the world. It's the west that is shrinking Boris. Can't you see? Open your eyes.

Yes, and in your addled brain, you think the declining influence and numbers of practicing Catholics in the West = decline. We get it. But we also know how stupid a proposition that is. As I said, the Catholic church is growing in the third world because it has realized the only way to get new converts is to prey on the disadvantaged and ignorant.

[Boris Godunov]

That your words mirror those of Judas Iscariot after all this time? I'd say that is quite an effective argument. Sell all the precious works of art in honour to our Lord and Saviour, and give to the poor.

How is your argument different from his in either spirit, motivation or content.

Your quote states that Judas' motivation was "because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."

How on earth would that apply to me? I'm certainly not the keeper of the money bag for the church, nor do I help myself to anything the church has. I don't want any of their money, I don't need it.

That you think this is an effective argument is just proof that you're an idiot with poor critical thinking skills. Nobody outside of the religiously addle-minded would care if you could superficially compare what they said to some figure in the Bible. That only impresses the gullible.

I ask you: would Jesus look about the vast wealth of the Vatican and think it's a good and holy thing? I don't think the man who preached about how hard it would be for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heavern would think so. I think he'd be appalled by it.

Is it a lie that the Catholic church professes that those who engage in homosexual relations commit sin?

Ben, you've been caught engaging in so many lies on this site, lies which you've refused to retract. You can't erase your record. Everyone here knows what a dishonest person you are. That you're trying to twist what I said yet again like this just shows how pathologically dishonest you are.