I really, really hate smokers

[Asher]

I personally find many of your anti smoker comments personal... You are attacking a whole group of people as well. Now, you aren't advocating killing them, or setting up hate groups against them... so it isn't racisim.

Neither is Ben... He is just stating what he thinks are facts that support his pov. It is obvoius that he thinks gay sex is a sin... He is welcome to that opinion.

Since you are gay, you are taking his comments too personally... even though they are not directed specifically at you (unlike your direct personal attacks against him) I'm sure some smokers feel exactly the same way about this thread title, and the comments you have made as well.

So you are avoiding the racism thing.

What Ben is saying is systematically offensive to a minority group that is. You are condemning it.

That's disgusting. Ben is stating what he thinks are facts, but he has not once backed them up or actually shown they are facts.

Replace "gay" with "Black" with what Ben is saying and I think you'd agree with me that those kinds of comments are unacceptable.

[Ben Kenobi]

It is NOT the truth, not even close. And you personally attack me every time you imply or explicitly talk about gays as a systematic entity like you do here. It's dehumanizing.

Would you prefer 'the heterosexually challenged community'.

I have other terms that I can use if you don't like the term gay that are more accurate. I suggest you drop this argument.

Honestly, Ben is about two more posts like this away from me making a complaints to the Human Rights Commission. If only because I know how much he hates it, and he knows it'll be a ****ing pain in the ass.

Bring it on. You've got my name and my address. I'd welcome a HRC case.

[Ming]

Ben thinks pretty much like a typical religious righty on this issue... He finds supposed facts (or makes them up) to support his position that gay sex is a sin. Fortunately, the rest of the world doesn't agree with him.

[Ming]

Gee Asher... replace gay or black with smoker, and isn't it the same thing as what you've been doing

[Asher]

I know black people and other minorities that are offended by this comparison, that the things they have suffered are at all comparable to the choices that gay people make.

I'm sure you do, and those people are just as bigoted and ignorant as you are.

I have no clue that anyone is gay, unless they make it an issue. Black people on the other hand don't have a choice. I should think that if you spent a day in their shoes that you would understand.

HOLY ****ING **** MING

MAKE IT STOP.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE. BEING BLACK IS NOT A CHOICE. DEAL WITH THAT, BEN.

What are you afraid of asher? If you don't like the idea the solution is to argue against the idea, not to ban the person for expressing the concept.

We have DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU FOR YEARs.

You WILL NEVER CHANGE YOUR OPINION.

ALL YOU DO ON THIS SITE IS SPREAD LIES AND DEGRADE HOMOSEXUALS. IT IS DISGUSTING. You are an absolutely terrible human being.

Much of what you say offends me. Boo hoo. The real world is difficult that way. People are going to offend you all the time. Deal with it Asher.

And when people offend me, I make it known.

Why are you a terrible Christian?

[Asher]

Gee Asher... replace gay or black with smoker, and isn't it the same thing as what you've been doing

Smoking is a choice.

Unless you are saying you never chose to smoke.

You're skirting around the ****ing issue because you know I'm right.

Seriously, Ming. Tell Ben to just stop talking about this here, at least. We've had WAY TOO MANY threads on this, Ben has shown he is incapable of changing his mind or having a rational discussion on this, and every time it comes up all he does is enrage, infuriate, and insult homosexuals with his rampant ignorance and obvious hate.

[Ming]

Asher... chill or be chilled.

[Asher]

Asher... chill or be chilled.

There is no way for me to chill when Ben is spreading lies and insulting every homosexual on this planet.

If you want to condone what Ben is doing and ban me for rightfully calling him out on it, that's on you.

There's no ****ing way I'm going to chill out here. I don't put up with bull**** and I've been trying to put up with Ben's bull**** for years.

He needs to go, or I will. His podunk ignorant little Christian act is getting old, and if you are incapable of understanding how deeply offensive his systematic degradation of homosexuality is, hopefully you can find someone more enlightened in the administration who can show you why. Every time Ben talks about his ignorant "beliefs", he blatantly and systematically lies and squirms and essentially just keeps insulting with more lies. You need to put an end to it -- we know his thoughts on this, he's not contributing anything new, ENOUGH ALREADY.

[Ben Kenobi]

In fact I'll post it again to make sure you know where to send it.

Sean Ollech
473 Voyageur Dr
Prince George, BC
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[Ming]

Asher... you go out of your way to offend people. You do it on purpose with all your trolling. Just look at the title of this thread.

Ben is welcome to him his opinion, just like you are. Discuss things in a civil fashion or you will get restricted until you cool down.

[Asher]

Ming, at the VERY least, you should ensure that when Ben makes his systematically offensive comments with his "facts", he backs them up.

Is that too much to ask, even?

[Ming]

Hell... half the people here make up crap all the time. That is not a bannable offense.
So don't even go there.

If he crosses the line, he will be banned. But right now, he is just being ignorant, and that is not an offense...

You however need to chill.

[Asher]

Asher... you go out of your way to offend people. You do it on purpose with all your trolling. Just look at the title of this thread.

Ben is welcome to him his opinion, just like you are. Discuss things in a civil fashion or you will get restricted until you cool down.

If you ban me over trying to drill into your head the difference between calling someone stupid for something they say and/or do versus a systematic degradation of a minority group, then I will never return. Truly. Not one of those "leaving forever" things.

You need to man up here and recognize the difference and what Ben is doing here. Why is it you ban racists who say things like "black people aren't as smart as white people", but you think it's fine for someone to say "gay people can't commit to monogamy"? Do you not understand they are equally hurtful, offensive, and unacceptable?

You need to think about what you say and do here very carefully because this is going to set a precedent. Will you continue to let Ben attack homosexuals for being homosexual and invent his own "facts" without citation to do it, or will you draw a line and enforce that?

[Asher]

Hell... half the people here make up crap all the time. That is not a bannable offense.
So don't even go there.

If he crosses the line, he will be banned. But right now, he is just being ignorant, and that is not an offense...

You however need to chill.

This is just ****ing unacceptable. Truly.

Answer this one question:
How is it acceptable for someone to make sweeping, offensive generalizations about a minority group on this site?

You are passively accepting bigotry, but you have before banned racists. You are being inconsistent and you know it. Stop telling me to chill and explain why you are being inconsistent.

[Asher]

Hell... half the people here make up crap all the time. That is not a bannable offense.
So don't even go there.

If he crosses the line, he will be banned. But right now, he is just being ignorant, and that is not an offense...

You however need to chill.

Are you going to go on record and say you will not ban an "ignorant" person who spouts off about black people or jews as being inferior in any way? Because being ignorant is not an offense?