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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThere's this little concept called a public good.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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As an asthmatic, I say to hell with all of you. Chew tobacco, or the gum, or use a patch, if you can't do without the nicotine fix; you have no right to pollute my air. Certainly not to satisfy a personal vice. And yes, I know gum is a lot more expensive than straight-up tobacco. That can be fixed with even heftier cigarette taxes. Also floggings, and thumbscrews.
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BK, you've held every job you've had while living in countries that have large amounts of regulations concerning the exposure of employees to health risks.
We had the Gilded Age already and the associated horrors to employees. Society said "No" to that a long time ago. Stop living in the 19th century.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI've treeplanted.
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If you can survive PLANTING TREEs then clearly there's no point to WORKPLACE PROTECTION LAWS.
Thank GOD FOR BEN. I have seen the light."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI've treeplanted. 'Workplace regulations' are laughable compared to that job. The only way they make money is by ignoring them.
If you had gotten injured on the job thanks to a company violating OSHA standards or what have you, I've no doubt you would have been suing their asses off.
Times have changed. Stop living in the 20th.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Hence your hypocrisy, as you only think "the public good" is a sufficient rationale when it supports issues *you* deem worthy, while you reject it for others, like smoking prohibitions.
There's no evidence gay marriages are bad for societies that enact them, there's plenty that smoking causes significant damage, if just in healthcare costs alone.
You failed to understand my argument. My argument is that marriage is a public good. You need to be arguing that gay marriage provides the same. Saying that it doesn't cause harm is insufficient in saying that it deserves tax support.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostHence the term 'Nanny state'.
You failed to understand my argument. My argument is that marriage is a public good. You need to be arguing that gay marriage provides the same.
Also, the public good argument is, how you say...a slippery slope.
Is it not in the public good to be healthy? So you are also in favour of public healthcare. Universal insurance -- also a public good.
Do you have the intellectual capacity to understand your inconsistencies?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI have no issues with prohibition of smoking in publicly owned areas. I have issues with the regulation of private businesses.
Hence the term 'Nanny state'.
You failed to understand my argument. My argument is that marriage is a public good. You need to be arguing that gay marriage provides the same. Saying that it doesn't cause harm is insufficient in saying that it deserves tax support.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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The fact that some business skirt regulations isn't relevant, the regulations still exist, and they exist for reasons that aren't related to sticking anything to anyone.
The worst jobs we ever had were the government ones, because they just didn't make sense. The big mills who had a primary concern for profit were far more careful because these trees were their big investment. They were stricter in where and how we could plant, and better at maintaining the quality control over the entire job.
The government on the other had, would require us to hike in 5 miles to plant trees.
If you had gotten injured on the job thanks to a company violating OSHA standards or what have you, I've no doubt you would have been suing their asses off.
If you had seen the mountain of regulations we had to follow, it just gets a bit silly.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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I sincerely doubt you do. You're not a LOLitarian, so you clearly are A-OK with regulating private businesses.
Wrong. The reason for smoking bans isn't to protect people who choose to smoke from themselves, it's to protect those that do NOT choose to do so. I pointed this out at least twice already.
If there were no tax benefits associated with legalized marriage, you'd therefore drop your opposition to it being legalized I take it. I guess you'd also be opposed by attempts to enact a Constitutional Amendment to prevent states from recognizing gay marriages. Good to know.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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Gay marriage is marriage.
Is it not in the public good to be healthy? So you are also in favour of public healthcare. Universal insurance -- also a public good.
Do you have the intellectual capacity to understand your inconsistencies?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!
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Ben, times changed THANKS TO EMPLOYMENT LAW. Do you think the factory owners stopped mistreating their workers because they felt like being nice all of a sudden? They suddenly "saw the light"?
Please consider posting on here when you aren't smoking whatever you are smoking.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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Originally posted by Asher View PostWhile we're on the topic, I don't see why churches need government benefits or why straight marriages need government benefits.
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