War it is. Part IV.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
Self-defense from what?

You call sleeping civilians an evil terrorists?

That depends. What do you call SO forces shelling Georgian villages?

[Serb]

That's called "returning fire".

[Serb]

[Ellestar]

Originally posted by Darius871
So have the Russian aggressors left yet or what? This seemed to get booted out of the news right quick.

An interview with US Ambassador to Russia John Beyrle
Question: No senior official of the US Administration like President George W. Bush or State
Secretary Condoleezza Rice has ever condemned bombardment of Tskhinvali. Does it mean that the
United States supports this kind of action?

John Beyrle: Since we kept telling Georgia not to do it, it must be clear that we never wanted the
events to take this particular turn. The United States and Russia have been partners in international
mechanisms like the Group of UN Secretary General's Friends for Georgia, trying to facilitate settlement
of the latent conflicts on the Georgian territory. We do not want any violence... It is clear to us that the
Russian troops were justified to retaliate after the attack on Russian peacekeepers. Unfortunately, they
never stopped with that and entered the territory of Georgia jeopardizing territorial integrity of this
country.

Question: Are you saying that Russia's reaction to the attack on peacekeepers was legitimate but
advance of the troops to beyond the conflict was not?

John Beyrle: We saw destruction of civilian infrastructure. We heard some politicians in Russia
clamoring for replacement of the democratically elected government of Georgia. Some Russian
politicians openly question territorial integrity of Georgia. That is why we think that Russia has gone too
far. Actually, we are not the only ones to think so. Lots of members of the international community think
so too.

Question: Rice calls Russia's reaction "inadequate". What would have constituted "adequate" reaction
then?

John Beyrle: It is of paramount importance for Russia nowadays to honor the peace plan the president
of France put together and the warring sides signed. The sooner the Russian troops are back on the prewar
positions, the sooner we will be able to send international observers to the conflict area and perhaps
even international peacekeepers afterwards. All of that prior to conflict settlement, of course.

So, all hypocrites, please go to hell.

Besides, note that he didn't said what was the "adequate" reaction to an agression against Russia. Like, was it adequate to attack Georgian troops on Georgian territory who were shelling Russian troops on South Ossetian territory after Russian troops freed South Ossetian territory from Georgian agressors? Russian generals said it's adequate to defeat and disarm the agressor (agressor - Georgia, even US admits it), like it was done with Germany and Japan after WW2, but Russian politics stopped them.

And of course western propaganda machine (mistakenly known there under the nickname "a free press") is silent about it.
When US Ambassador to Russia John Beyrle’s interview initially appeared in the Russian newspaper
Kommersant on August 22, it appeared to represent a stunning and very welcome turn-around in the
official US line on the Georgian conflict (please see full text, in appendix).
Several days latter, we are surprised to find virtually no mention of this policy statement in the Western
press.
Googling this phrase gives us what, one minor specialized terror site and one blog? And that's all??? When your "free press" will admit that they were wrong when they called Russia the agressors? After the snow in hell? Well, at least this answers your question why it was booted out of the news right quick - your "free press" wrote numerous lies and outright forgery (i disclosed some of them in my previous posts) and then shut up instead of correcting the mistakes.

[Lancer]

Give it a little time Ellestar, the cavalry is coming.

[Dr Strangelove]

None of that stuff is being shown in the US.

[Patroklos]

Ellestar, that article doesn't bolster your position in the slightest.

And here is a bit "**** You" for Russia.

US navy ship steams into port where Russian troops stationed

A US navy flagship has steamed into a Georgian port where Russian troops are still stationed, stoking tensions once again in the tinderbox Caucasus region.

A previous trip by American warships was cancelled at the last minute a week ago amid fears that an armed stand off could erupt in the Black Sea port of Poti.

The arrival of the USS Mount Whitney came as Moscow accused Dick Cheney, the hawkish US vice-president, of stoking tensions during a visit to Tbilisi yesterday, in which he vowed to bring Georgia into the Nato alliance. Russia sees any such move as a blatant Western encroachment on its traditional sphere of influence.

Russia’s leadership has already questioned whether previous US warships that docked at the port of Batumi, to the south, were delivering weapons to rearm the smashed Georgian military, something Washington has denied.

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While Russia again questioned the deployment of what it described as "the number one ship of its type in the US navy� on the Black Sea, it said it planned no military action in response. The Russian Army has kept a small number of soldiers in Poti, where local Georgian officials accuse them of looting port authority buildings.

“Naval ships of that class can hardly deliver a large amount of aid,� said Andrei Nesterenko, a Russian foreign ministry spokesman. “Such ships of course have a hold for keeping provisions for the crew and items needed for sailing. How many dozens of tonnes of aid can a ship of that type deliver?"

He said the presence of US warships could contravene international conventions governing shipping on the Black Sea, and - in particular - restricting the entry of naval ships from countries that do not share a Black Sea coastline.

Militarily, the small Russian garrison in Poti would pose almost no threat to a vessel like the Mount Whitney, but the proximity of two hostile forces in such a fraught setting set the political temperature rising again in the Caucasus, a month after Russia’s five day war with Georgia.

The American warship is too large to actually enter the port, where Russia sunk several Georgian navy vessels in its offensive last month. Instead, it is expected anchor offshore and unload its cargo of blankets, hygiene kits, baby food and infant care supplies on to smaller boats.

"I can confirm it has arrived in Poti. Anchoring procedures are still ongoing but it has arrived," said a US naval official.

Moscow, which followed up its crushing military defeat of Georgia by unilaterally recognising the independence of two of its breakaway regions, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, was fuming that Mr Cheney still insisted on Georgia’s entrance into the Atlantic alliance – something several key NATO members are wary of.

“The new promises to Tbilisi relating to the speedy membership of NATO simply strengthen the Saakashvili regime’s dangerous feeling of impunity and encourages its dangerous ambitions,� said Mr Nesterenko.

Washington has also pledged one billion dollars in aid to help Georgia rebuild after Russia pounded many of its military bases to dust and targeted important infrastructure.

The brief conflict has left thousands of Georgians homeless, including many driven from South Ossetia and the surrounding Russian buffer zone inside Georgia itself.

Georgian officials have accused the Russian-backed Ossetian militias of “ethnically cleansing� remote villages, while Moscow has charged Tbilisi with “genocide� for its heavy handed attack on the breakaway region last month.

Lets highlight a snippet of Russian stupidity and absurdity...

While Russia again questioned the deployment of what it described as "the number one ship of its type in the US navy�

It is the "number one ship of its type" because it along with her sister ship are the ONLY ship of its type. It is also 38 years old, which given its function doesn't hinder it but makes the Russian statement even more absurd.

The USS Mount Whitney is the flagship of 6th fleet, but that really doesn't mean much. It is designed to be a communications and command hub for large multi MEF amphibious invasions, but as such has a lot of extra room for people and stores when such operations are not happening. It is the current flag ship because commanders like having that much comms gear available.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Lets highlight a snippet of Russian stupidity and absurdity...

Ok.

It is the "number one ship of its type" because it along with her sister ship are the ONLY ship of its type. It is also 38 years old, which given its function doesn't hinder it but makes the Russian statement even more absurd.

The USS Mount Whitney is the flagship of 6th fleet, but that really doesn't mean much. It is designed to be a communications and command hub for large multi MEF amphibious invasions, but as such has a lot of extra room for people and stores when such operations are not happening. It is the current flag ship because commanders like having that much comms gear available.

The USS Mount Whitney IS the flagship of 6th fleet and it IS the most advanced US Navy C4I ship.
Who in his striaght mind would use a dozen of combat ships lead by the most sophisticated US Navy command, control, communications, computer and intelligence ship to deliver a humanitarian aid only?
How many cargo can be delivered by the C4I (the flaghip, a floating HQ)?
Wouldn't it be way easier and cheaper to deliver a humanitarian cargo (aka diapers for Sukashvili) via, GOD DAMN, GARGO vessels, not combat ships?
So, don't even start your crap about those combat ships in the Black Sea are only carrying a humanitarian mission (btw, how many humanitarian cargo you send to the victims of the Georgian aggression?).
They have already delivered their suppose to be a "humanitarian cargo" (a pack of diapers for your certified lackey sh!t dog).
So, what the f*** are they still doing there?
They are not there to deliver diapers to Sukashvili, and you know that.

Why won't you admit the obviouis for once?

p.s. Though you can send your ships there for all you care, the Black Sea is a perfect death trap for your fleet.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
None of that stuff is being shown in the US.

That's because your so-called "free" Western mass-media is even far from objectivity than Soviet Pravda (at its peak) ever was.
The sooner you'll realize that your media portrays the aggressor as a victim and the war criminal, authoritarian nationalist (a fascist/nazist actually) who pogrommed a single opposition TV-stastion, murdred his political rivals, jalied the opposition, crushed the anti-president riots with brutal force and finally forged the elections, as a DEMOCRAT and a LIBERAL,
THE SOONER YOU WILL WAKE-UP.

But so far, most of you guys are just happy by the bullsh!t your meadia is feeding you.

[Lancer]

Wtf are we doing there? Wtf are the Russians still doing there!!! Georgia is an independent, soveriegn country soon to be in NATO. If they let our ships in we certainly don't have to explain ourselves to anyone else. The presumption that Russia shows in claiming so just makes the case why the US military should have a STRONG force in Georgia.

Serb, the US and Russia are going to be butting heads over this until either Russia learns to live within its borders, or until the end of the world comes. Either way. Its the cold war all over. Blame it on Georgia, that's fine, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that a new confrontation is on. That's life, we're up to it. Lets get it on.

[onodera]

Originally posted by Lancer
Wtf are we doing there? Wtf are the Russians still doing there!!! Georgia is an independent, soveriegn country soon to be in NATO. If they let our ships in we certainly don't have to explain ourselves to anyone else. The presumption that Russia shows in claiming so just makes the case why the US military should have a STRONG force in Georgia.

Serb, the US and Russia are going to be butting heads over this until either Russia learns to live within its borders, or until the end of the world comes. Either way. Its the cold war all over. Blame it on Georgia, that's fine, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that a new confrontation is on. That's life, we're up to it. Lets get it on.

Why does an independent, sovereign country need foreign American troops on its soil? Why don't you learn to live within YOUR borders?

[SlowwHand]

We were asked to come to their house. Get over it.

[Riesstiu IV]

Originally posted by onodera

Why does an independent, sovereign country need foreign American troops on its soil? Why don't you learn to live within YOUR borders?

Because it's our god given right to rule over the entire world.

[onodera]

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV


Because it's our god given right to rule over the entire world.

Damn, why did you have to say that? I was expecting Lancer to say something like that with a straight face.

[onodera]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
We were asked to come to their house. Get over it.

And South Ossetians asked us to come to theirs.