This is the end? (Hillary)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Darius871
Looking at the exit polls fron NC and IN people care about Wright but not enough to change their votes,

Why would the Dems care if Obama had ear plugs on during church and never knew what kinda church he went to? Expect Wright to have more of an impact in the general.

[rah]

Especially if he doesn't shut up. Which is quite likely

[Darius871]

You'd think their chances in the general would be the main factor to consider, but oh wait we're talking about rank-and-file voters here, nevermind.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
That's the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

Nah, Obama will end up with enough superdelegates and whatnot to allow all of the original Michigan and Florida delegations to show up and vote when he's already got things sewn up.

I think a lot of people are looking too much at little transient things and not enough at the big picture.

Economic troubles + unpopular war is just too much of a hurdle for Republicans to get over. Right now nearly half of Clinton supporters say they won't vote for Obama but then back in 2000 40-odd percent of McCain supporters said they wouldn't vote for Bush and we all know how that turned out. Because of this right now you get goofy results in polls like McCain getting more female votes than male votes, when the gender gap ALWAYS goes the other way. When the primary ends and Clinton supporters calm down we'll see Obama beat McCain handily.

[DinoDoc]

we'll see Obama beat McCain handily.

Handily? You wish.

[Sandman]

The Democrat meltdown has 'turning point in history' written all over it. It's not looking good for America.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You're talking about a group of people who gave the political scene: Mondale and Kerry.

Don't forget Dukakis

[Patroklos]

No, he is totally forgetable, which was the problem

[Darius871]

Oh come on, we may forget the man but the image lives forever!

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Bosh


Nah, Obama will end up with enough superdelegates and whatnot to allow all of the original Michigan and Florida delegations to show up and vote when he's already got things sewn up.

I think a lot of people are looking too much at little transient things and not enough at the big picture.

Economic troubles + unpopular war is just too much of a hurdle for Republicans to get over. Right now nearly half of Clinton supporters say they won't vote for Obama but then back in 2000 40-odd percent of McCain supporters said they wouldn't vote for Bush and we all know how that turned out. Because of this right now you get goofy results in polls like McCain getting more female votes than male votes, when the gender gap ALWAYS goes the other way. When the primary ends and Clinton supporters calm down we'll see Obama beat McCain handily.

I agree completely. Well except for the "handily" part. But I do think Obama will be our next president. Obama is attractive to independents and so is McCain. They'll fight over that, but McCain's right-wing base really don't like him, and they'll all go golfing instead of turning out to vote for him. Obama is going to have much more money, most of his base, and a good chunk of independents. It'll be a tough fight, but he'll win it.

The fact that Obama and Clinton have been beating each other up for 3 months and Obama is STILL up in the polls against McCain shows quite a lot. Once people start paying attention to McCain again, his numbers will slip.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I really really dislike and distrust the "a new kind of politics" image Obama is [trying [and generally succeeding]] to project. I don't like his lack of experience. Plus, I actually don't agree with too many of Hillary's policies, but don't particularly want a Republican in the White House in 2009.

If it were Romney or (oh, god) Huckabee on the Republican side, there'd be no contest, but McCain is different enough from the rest of the party that my dislike of Obama outweighs my dislike of McCain.

IAWTP.

I would throw in that I don't like how wimpy he comes off at times, when he had decent, low risk, opportunities (ayres issue etc). I'm concerned that he will be a push over by foreign leaders (cuba comments, Hamas! endorsement ) I want a president who can get fired up out of passion and anger, and I haven't seen that type of passion in him.

I would have preferred him as hillary's veep or running in 4-8 years after some more time in the oven. His supporters continually point out that he was the only one who didn't vote for the war. Well, that's because he was a state senator. State Senator! only 6 years ago. I prefer a bit more seasoning than that.

I also really don't like his wife. No, that shouldn't matter, but she's said some wacky things that I really don't care for.

McCain is probably the only repub I would vote for over any dem, but that is subject to change between now and nov. Veep will play a huge role in my vote.

edit: for clarity

[OzzyKP]

Oh yea, the whole "President-as-tough-guy" thing has worked so well for this country in the last 8 years.

It is probably time we take politics away from the playground and stop giving such respect to the strong bullies.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Bosh


Nah, Obama will end up with enough superdelegates and whatnot to allow all of the original Michigan and Florida delegations to show up and vote when he's already got things sewn up.

I think a lot of people are looking too much at little transient things and not enough at the big picture.

Economic troubles + unpopular war is just too much of a hurdle for Republicans to get over. Right now nearly half of Clinton supporters say they won't vote for Obama but then back in 2000 40-odd percent of McCain supporters said they wouldn't vote for Bush and we all know how that turned out. Because of this right now you get goofy results in polls like McCain getting more female votes than male votes, when the gender gap ALWAYS goes the other way. When the primary ends and Clinton supporters calm down we'll see Obama beat McCain handily.

I think you're way off here. I expect that ones feeling the brunt of the bush fiasco will be rep sens and reps, and McCain will somewhat easily take the presidency, assuming he is still alive with no major new scandals. I don't think voters will attach him to Bush to the extent that he will lose "handily".

Of course, gridlock would be my ideal result, I think Obama with a dem majority in congress would be a disaster fiscally both to the country and me personally.

[Ming]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Oh yea, the whole "President-as-tough-guy" thing has worked so well for this country in the last 8 years.

Bush... a tough guy...

[Darius871]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
I also really don't like his wife. No, that shouldn't matter, but she's said some wacky things that I really don't care for.

Aside from the fact that wives shouldn't matter, keep in mind that she had a near-fatal stroke a few years back and probably isn't thinking too clearly.