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  • Even short term users have reduced memory and attention.

    Marijuana? Memory? Where'd I Leave My Bong?

    Marijuana again tied to memory problems


    NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - People who regularly smoke marijuana may find their memories growing hazy over time, a study published Monday suggests.

    In a study of long-term and shorter-term marijuana users, researchers in Greece found that both groups performed more poorly on tests of memory, attention and other cognitive abilities than a comparison group who'd only occasionally used the drug.

    Long-term users - who'd smoked four or more joints per week for at least 10 years - showed the greatest deficits.

    The findings, published in the journal Neurology, add to the conflicting body of research on the effects of marijuana on the brain. While many studies have suggested that long-time pot smoking dulls memory, attention span and mental acuity, some have found no large differences in these skills between marijuana users and non-users.

    One recent analysis of 15 studies found only minor effects on memory among long-time pot users, and no clear effect on attention, language, reasoning and a number of other cognitive functions.

    One problem is that it's difficult for studies such as the current one to establish a definite cause-and-effect relationship between marijuana and intellectual deficits, Dr. Lambros Messinis, the study's lead author, told Reuters Health.

    Though the researchers accounted for a number of variables -- like education, use of other drugs and the presence of clinical depression -- it's tough to control for all the factors that could make heavy marijuana users different from other people, according to Messinis.

    Still, he and his colleagues say, their findings are in line with certain past studies linking heavy, long-term pot smoking to "subtle" deficits in intellectual abilities.

    The study included 40 marijuana users ages 17 to 49 who were in a drug abuse treatment program; all had used the drug frequently for at least five years, but half -- those considered long-term users -- had smoked for 10 years or more. They were compared with 24 adults the same age who had used pot no more than 20 times in their lives.

    Overall, both long- and shorter-term marijuana users performed more poorly on tests of memory, attention and mental-processing speed. The proportion of study participants deemed "impaired," according to the researchers, was highest in the long-term group and lowest in the comparison group.

    Long-time pot users showed the greatest problems on tests where they were asked to learn and remember a series of words. They were "significantly" below the published norms for these tests, according to Messinis and his colleagues.

    It's not yet clear whether the intellectual deficits linked to marijuana are lasting, Messinis said, but research "generally supports" the notion that these problems are reversible after longer periods of abstinence. People in his study were required to have been abstinent only for the 24 hours before taking the tests.

    Another unknown, according to Messinis, is whether marijuana use at a young age may affect the brain differently than use during adulthood. Knowledge in this area, he said, is still "poor."

    Okay, now I know I had something to say, but, I'll be damned if I can remember what it was!

    I mean, is this study whacked or what? There is more stuff these dudes don't know or aren't sure of, then they know. What the hell is that? Personally, I think they were doing more toking than studying. Hell, drink too much and your memory gets stupid. Am I supposed to believe these guys study is a revelation?

    Since we are on the topic of herb, chronic, tree, weed, hippie lettuce, marijuana or, whatever you want to call it, I have a question. Why is the pot not legal? You think it might just have something to do with cash money? Of course! More than likely, the tobacco and liquor industries would take major hits. WHY? Herb is to easy to grow on your own. Who the hell is going to pay corporate for grass when you can grow it yourself? ALMOST ANYWHERE! As for the liquor industry, when you are hitting a bongDr Bongs Cannabis Emporiumyou are NOT guzzling scotch, bourbon, gin or rum. Does not mix well. However, fine wine, or, cheap wine, works just fine with a joint.

    Another point to consider in this day and age is, can you imagine trying to fight terrorism etc with a military stoned out on "whacky weed"? You see what happened to the American Indians that tried to fight the calvary after messing with peyote! You start hallucinating and feeling good and the next thing you know, the enemy is all over your ass. That ain't gonna work.

    So, in closing, we just have to take what we can get and make the best of it. Or, move to Amsterdam.Amsterdam.info » Amsterdam pictures » Coffee shops and coffeeshopsRemember, enjoy yourself, but, don't screw up and become one of the STUPID PEOPLE!
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    • Hello boys....did you miss me! Just back from work and only here for a momentito before I'm off to But seriously Kidi. I asked you yesterday to find me 5, count them 5 news articles that claim and show with proof that someone who ONLY smoked MJ got behind the wheel of a car and killed a family or killed someone with no other contributing drug. Looks like I"m still waiting.

      And another point. Honey I started smoking back in the 70's when the ****e was really good like Columbian Gold, Red Hair Sense etc....and in all the time I've been smoking I've never passed out from pot, have when I've gotten drunk and thrown up everywhere and even was so uninhibbited that I stripped down to nothing and drove down Interstate 35 here in town naked! All on alcohol. Never in a million years would I have done something that careless, wanton and just downright stupid from smoking pot. Hell, I'd have been lucky to just get in the car.

      And what I'm really trying to wrap my head around is you used to (according to you) be a pot smoker so why are you so against it? You made your choice not to continue to smoke. And as for my daughter she smokes anywhere from 3 to 6 blunts a day. And the medication they had her on for years all kinds, never leveled her out or helped control her mood swings or anything else. I'm not saying it's a wonder drug but for her it helps her manage her anger issues, bi-polar outburst that are totally uncontrolable. Keeps her from killing someone. She's come close once or twice. Like the time she squared off against her sister and went after her with a screwdriver.

      Just ask Self. He's been around her when she smokes and when she doesn't. He'll probably tell you she's much nicer when she smokes. Hell he's a fairly sizable guy and he had her in a full body lock trying to control her and he couldn't even bring her down. When she smokes she's just not like that. She's very nice, mellow and dare I say even kind. And for Ashley that's a stretch.

      Well I'm off to go and doesn't that just get you're goat Kidi? Just think for the next 20 minutes while your posting your little fingers off or looking for some news clipping about MJ causing peoples deaths in cars, which you won't find, I'll be enjoyin the bounty of the earth. So keep on and I'll see you in 20.

      BTW I don't think you've been on the board as long as some of the others but you do know that my God given Christian name given me by my parents is Mary Jayne......yes, it's the truth so stick that in your pipe, hooka, blunt or paper of choice and smoke it.
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      • Originally posted by Kidicious
        Even short term users have reduced memory and attention.

        Marijuana? Memory? Where'd I Leave My Bong?


        BLeeeeee to you. I made my living for 15 years off of my memory as a receptionist. Now I'm in nursing. You don't think that requires memory?
        Welcome to earth, my name is Tia and I'll be your tour guide for this trip.
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        • Originally posted by snoopy369
          MJ is not illegal because it does bad things to you physically. It is illegal because it impairs your judgement and thus has negative social consequences.
          That's not why it's illegal. That's just how they sold criminalization.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • Originally posted by Tiamat
            And another point. Honey I started smoking back in the 70's when the ****e was really good like Columbian Gold, Red Hair Sense etc....
            The stuff today is far, far more potent that what you remember from back in the day. Forty years of scientific crop management have produced strains that put yesterday's weed to shame. It was unusual to hear of anyone passing out from weed in the 80s. In the 90s, I knew several who did, including myself, and I'd been smoking for ten years at that point. I've gotten high maybe twice in the past three years, and I don't see me doing it anymore. I'm just bored with it.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • Originally posted by Kidicious
              No it's not. It's a very accurate statement.
              No, it's a wild and sweeping generalisation. From your personal experience it might have made you feel stupid, but extrapolating that to a general rule is not very smart imo.

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              • Originally posted by snoopy369
                It is illegal because it impairs your judgement
                In your experience, how has it impaired your judgement? Anyway, many things impair judgement, from insufficient rest to stress, to propaganda, to inadequate spectacles, but they are not illegal.

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                • Originally posted by Tiamat
                  Hello boys....did you miss me!
                  Yes. What happened to you last night? Did you take too many bong hits, and couldn't hang with the straight people? Me? I was up late last night waiting for your post, but I guess you couldn't hang, because of all the pot that you smoked.

                  Just back from work and only here for a momentito before I'm off to But seriously Kidi. I asked you yesterday to find me 5, count them 5 news articles that claim and show with proof that someone who ONLY smoked MJ got behind the wheel of a car and killed a family or killed someone with no other contributing drug. Looks like I"m still waiting.
                  You can't test for pot like that. At least not accurately. All you can do is look at peoples eyes and so forth. But I can garauntee you that people kill kids all the time after smoking pot.
                  And another point. Honey I started smoking back in the 70's when the ****e was really good like Columbian Gold, Red Hair Sense etc....and in all the time I've been smoking I've never passed out from pot, have when I've gotten drunk and thrown up everywhere and even was so uninhibbited that I stripped down to nothing and drove down Interstate 35 here in town naked! All on alcohol. Never in a million years would I have done something that careless, wanton and just downright stupid from smoking pot. Hell, I'd have been lucky to just get in the car.
                  Taht's because of the high tolerance that you have built up over the years. Try getting off the pot for awhile and then taking a hit off the high potency ****e they got now a days. You would be stoned off your ass.
                  And what I'm really trying to wrap my head around is you used to (according to you) be a pot smoker so why are you so against it?
                  I'm not sooooo against it. I just think it's not a smart thing to do.
                  You made your choice not to continue to smoke. And as for my daughter she smokes anywhere from 3 to 6 blunts a day. And the medication they had her on for years all kinds, never leveled her out or helped control her mood swings or anything else. I'm not saying it's a wonder drug but for her it helps her manage her anger issues, bi-polar outburst that are totally uncontrolable. Keeps her from killing someone. She's come close once or twice. Like the time she squared off against her sister and went after her with a screwdriver.
                  I'll say again, I think it would be better for your daughter to be able to control herself without drugs. I think she would be much happier too taht way. If she can't or whatever than that's unfortunate. I wish you all the best with it though. I'm sure it's tough.
                  Just ask Self. He's been around her when she smokes and when she doesn't. He'll probably tell you she's much nicer when she smokes. Hell he's a fairly sizable guy and he had her in a full body lock trying to control her and he couldn't even bring her down. When she smokes she's just not like that. She's very nice, mellow and dare I say even kind. And for Ashley that's a stretch.

                  Well I'm off to go and doesn't that just get you're goat Kidi? Just think for the next 20 minutes while your posting your little fingers off or looking for some news clipping about MJ causing peoples deaths in cars, which you won't find, I'll be enjoyin the bounty of the earth. So keep on and I'll see you in 20.

                  BTW I don't think you've been on the board as long as some of the others but you do know that my God given Christian name given me by my parents is Mary Jayne......yes, it's the truth so stick that in your pipe, hooka, blunt or paper of choice and smoke it.
                  Don't smoke too much now, because then you won't be able to stay up and party any longer than my nine year old son.
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                  • No I didn't take to many bong hits. Puff got retired when he fell and broke. He was of course our dragon bong. Actually this lazy twinkie eating no earplug wearing person was relaxing with my husband last night. I work 7 days a week, all be it some days I only work 4 hours but then I have other days where I work 16 so it evens out.

                    Anyway I get two nights off a week Tues and Thurs. Those would be the nights that hubby and I usually watch **cringes** American Idol, yes I know come on with the jokes or movies or Battlestar Galactica. It's the only two nights I get to see him and only during the day on Sat and Sun. So those nights I'm only hear (for Asher and Jrabbitt) for a short while.

                    You can't test for pot like that. At least not accurately. All you can do is look at peoples eyes and so forth. But I can garauntee you that people kill kids all the time after smoking pot.
                    Waaaaa stop your killin' me. Have you ever heard of a little thing called a blood test? They do it for drunk drivers so I know it can be done. Just pull blood and test for THC.....hello?

                    And yes, I do smoke dro. Friend grows it, I believe the politically correct term is Hydroponic is it not. Believe me my tollerance is not built up that much
                    Welcome to earth, my name is Tia and I'll be your tour guide for this trip.
                    Succulent and Bejeweled Mother Goddess, who is always moisturised yet never greasy, always patient yet never suffers fools~Starchild
                    Dragons? Yup- big flying lizards with an attitude. ~ Laz
                    You are forgiven because you are FABULOUS ~ Imran

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                    • Kid, just stop.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • Originally posted by Caligastia


                        By that standard alcohol should also be illegal. At least Kid is consistent in that aspect.
                        Alcohol should be illegal. Unfortunately, that didn't work out so well

                        I am much more consistent than Kid
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                        • Verto, I wish I were kidding.

                          If you don't think alcohol addiction can trigger mental illness, Ben, you must be high.
                          Addiction is in itself a mental illness.

                          What I'm talking about is something quite different. Someone who has a susceptibility to schizophrenia, isn't going to bring it out by drinking alcohol.
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                          • Addiction is a physical thing, my friend.
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                            • Originally posted by Tiamat
                              No I didn't take to many bong hits. Puff got retired when he fell and broke. He was of course our dragon bong. Actually this lazy twinkie eating no earplug wearing person was relaxing with my husband last night. I work 7 days a week, all be it some days I only work 4 hours but then I have other days where I work 16 so it evens out.

                              Anyway I get two nights off a week Tues and Thurs. Those would be the nights that hubby and I usually watch **cringes** American Idol, yes I know come on with the jokes or movies or Battlestar Galactica. It's the only two nights I get to see him and only during the day on Sat and Sun. So those nights I'm only hear (for Asher and Jrabbitt) for a short while.
                              Hmmm... Be honest now. Don't you get stoned and watch old Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoons while you eat your twinkees.

                              Waaaaa stop your killin' me. Have you ever heard of a little thing called a blood test? They do it for drunk drivers so I know it can be done. Just pull blood and test for THC.....hello?

                              And yes, I do smoke dro. Friend grows it, I believe the politically correct term is Hydroponic is it not. Believe me my tollerance is not built up that much
                              OMG, aren't you a nurse? A blood test can't tell if you are under the influence of narcotics because if it's positive it only means that you have used narcotics in the recent past. You may in fact not be stoned anymore.
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                              • Originally posted by Cort Haus


                                No, it's a wild and sweeping generalisation. From your personal experience it might have made you feel stupid, but extrapolating that to a general rule is not very smart imo.
                                Bull****. Studies have been done also. I've posted the evidence. Just accept it. If you smoke pot you are stupider than you otherwise would be if you didn't. You have worse memory and attention and you may have a lower IQ.
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