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  • #76
    Originally posted by Caligastia


    From what I've read, MJ tends to be a bad idea for people who have mental health issues. Tia's daughter sounds like an exception though.
    Err.. just because it's helping her right now with mood swings doesn't mean that it's not causing damage to her brain in the long run. The brain is a very complex organ and we really don't know for sure what smoking marijuana long term can do to it, but there are some studies that should convince people that smoking marijuana is very risky to your mental health.

    Cannabis and mental health

    Does cannabis make young people more vulnerable to psychotic illnesses? We toke on the evidence.



    Certain scientific research points to a link between cannabis use and mental illness, although experts are divided over the exact role the drug plays in affecting your mental health.


    The four main theories
    The first theory suggests that cannabis use can cause mental disorders, or worsen existing psychotic symptoms (paranoia, hallucinations and delusions) among people with schizophrenia and bipolar affective disorder;
    The second argues that cannabis use can trigger psychotic symptoms in those who are already prone to mental disorders - for instance, those who have close family members with illnesses such as schizophrenia;
    The third states that cannabis use doesn't cause or trigger mental illness, but that some people are likely to experience both simply as a result of common circumstances, such as stress and anxiety caused by family difficulties, unemployment or other drug use;
    The fourth claims that any link is down to the fact that many people with mental health disorders use cannabis to ease the symptoms they're experiencing.
    Are young people more at risk?
    There's increasing evidence to suggest that long-term use of cannabis can lead to the development of psychosis, particularly among those who start using it in their teens. A study in New Zealand found that those who had used cannabis three times or more before the age of 15 were much more likely to experience symptoms of schizophrenia by the time they were 26. The research team concluded that there's a vulnerable minority of teenagers for whom cannabis is harmful, but added that, "We're not saying that cannabis is the major cause of schizophrenia, but it's a risk factor."

    A study of 2,500 14 to 24 year-olds in Munich, Germany, found that among those who had no vulnerability to psychosis, cannabis use moderately raised the risk of developing signs of psychosis later on, from 16% to 25%. But for those who were considered vulnerable to psychosis (who had shown psychotic symptoms by the age of 11), scientists found a stronger link. For these people, cannabis use almost doubled their chance of developing psychosis, from 25% to 50%. Also, the risks increased with the more cannabis they smoked, and the earlier they smoked it.

    Meanwhile, a team from Bristol and Cardiff Universities published a paper that claims cannabis users are 40% more likely to suffer a psychotic illness than non users. The research suggests that although the risk of getting a psychotic illness like schizophrenia remained low, it could be a factor in 14% of psychotic problems in young adults in the UK. The researchers looked at 35 studies on cannabis and its link to mental health.


    In your genes?
    Further studies have revealed that one in four people carry genes that increase vulnerability to psychotic illness if they smoke cannabis as a teenager. If you inherit types of a gene called catechol-O-methyl transferase (COMT), it's thought that cannabis is around five times more likely to trigger schizophrenia and other similar disorders.

    COMT is involved with the breaking down of a key brain chemical called dopamine, and comes in two forms - one inherited from each of your parents. The 'bad' version of the gene lessens your brain's ability to break down dopamine. People with psychosis have increased dopamine in one area of the brain, which could be linked to the presence of a 'bad' COMT gene. According to the research:


    If you have two copies of the 'normal' version, smoking cannabis has little effect on your mental health. In this instance, you have a 3% risk of developing psychotic illness whether you smoke cannabis or not;
    If you have one 'normal' and one 'bad' version, smoking cannabis slightly increases the risk of psychosis;
    If you have two 'bad' versions, smoking cannabis as a teenager increases the likelihood of developing psychosis by 15%.
    What's wrong with the research?
    Critics of the recent findings argue that it's often very difficult to account for other mental health issues that may contribute to the development of psychosis. Also, researchers in Australia have found that, despite a big rise in cannabis use over the past 30 years, the proportion of people with schizophrenia has remained roughly the same. Opponents point out that if cannabis really was causing mental illness in certain people, there should be a growing number of people with disorders like schizophrenia to match the rise in the number of teenagers smoking cannabis. Another criticism of the research is that it does not address the risk of more concentrated forms of cannabis, such as skunk, which are now widely available.


    It's hardly news, but...
    Smoking harms your health. So, even if you're not genetically predisposed to developing psychotic illnesses, you'd be daft to forget that smoking joints can harm your cognitive functions, as well as increase the risk of serious respiratory illnesses, including lung cancer.




    By Kim Haskins
    My own opinion is that someone with bi-polar disorder shouldn't take drugs at all, or at least try to keep them at a minimum. The thing about pot is that people who claim to smoke it for medical reasons smoke it like they would cigs.
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    • #77
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

      Originally posted by Kidicious
      Tobacco is a very bad substance and so is alcohol. If anything those should be made illegal. But why in the world are you saying that another harmfull substance should be made legal?!
      Has making MJ illegal decreased its use?
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      • #78
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

        Originally posted by Caligastia


        Has making MJ illegal decreased its use?
        I think any reasonable person should think that if it were legal that people would use it more.
        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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        • #79
          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

          Originally posted by Kidicious


          I think any reasonable person should think that if it were legal that people would use it more.
          Quite possibly, but I think the negative consequences of making it illegal far outweigh the negatives of legalization. If you're going to ban a substance because it can cause health problems then you should also ban alcohol, if you want to be consistent. But we know that banning alcohol would cause more problems than it would solve. The same goes for MJ. Banning it has caused more problems than it has solved.
          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Kidicious

            The brain is a very complex organ and we really don't know for sure what smoking marijuana long term can do to it, but there are some studies that should convince people that smoking marijuana is very risky to your mental health.
            That's a bit of a contradiction. If we don't know for sure then that's hardly convincing, is it?
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            • #81
              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

              Originally posted by Caligastia


              Quite possibly, but I think the negative consequences of making it illegal far outweigh the negatives of legalization. If you're going to ban a substance because it can cause health problems then you should also ban alcohol, if you want to be consistent. But we know that banning alcohol would cause more problems than it would solve. The same goes for MJ. Banning it has caused more problems than it has solved.
              So using that logic making alcohol legal is better than making it illegal. I don't think so. Alcohol is thought of more of a socially acceptable drug more than ever. Pot is still not socially acceptable, adn I think it's better to keep it that way.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Caligastia


                That's a bit of a contradiction. If we don't know for sure then that's hardly convincing, is it?
                No contradiction. An intelligent person doesn't need to know for sure if something is dangerous, he only needs to know that it is probably dangerous or might be dangerous to avoid the potential danger.
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                • #83
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

                  Originally posted by Kidicious


                  So using that logic making alcohol legal is better than making it illegal. I don't think so. Alcohol is thought of more of a socially acceptable drug more than ever. Pot is still not socially acceptable, adn I think it's better to keep it that way.
                  So you think alcohol should be illegal?
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Kidicious


                    No contradiction. An intelligent person doesn't need to know for sure if something is dangerous, he only needs to know that it is probably dangerous or might be dangerous to avoid the potential danger.
                    Lots of things "might be" dangerous. You weigh the risks and decide for yourself. The risk of harm from smoking MJ is vanishingly small IMO.
                    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Caligastia


                      Lots of things "might be" dangerous. You weigh the risks and decide for yourself. The risk of harm from smoking MJ is vanishingly small IMO.
                      Just teh simple fact that it makes you stupid is risk enough. How can you claim to be about to make a decision for yourself after you take a drug that makes you stupid?
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                      • #86
                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

                        Originally posted by Caligastia


                        So you think alcohol should be illegal?
                        Absolutely.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
                          Hmmm, I am, infact for criminalization of smoking tobacco. Because it bloody stinks, and makes me cough. Does cannabis stink? Does it make me cough? If so, boo.
                          Then, ban cars, coal, industries, pepper....

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                          • #88
                            BTW you cant overdose on MJ.

                            I once smoked a 14once tree trunk with a friend of mine. VEery very wasted but no side effects.

                            The only way I can think of is building a wooden box with air holes and jamming someone inside and filling the box with smoke continuously. I am sure it would take days.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Kidicious


                              Just teh simple fact that it makes you stupid is risk enough. How can you claim to be about to make a decision for yourself after you take a drug that makes you stupid?
                              Different kinds of cannabis have different effects. To say "it makes you stupid" is a massive oversimplification.
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                              • #90
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannabis legalization

                                Originally posted by Kidicious


                                Absolutely.
                                What about bacon cheddar burgers with mayo? Should they be illegal too? At what point should an individual be permitted to decide for themselves?

                                EDIT - Oh, and why do you think alcohol prohibition was ended? Because it was a roaring success?
                                Last edited by Caligastia; April 2, 2008, 12:53.
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