Cannabis legalization

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I've smoked pot over 5000 times and I quit and I think I'm fully recovered now intelligence wise...

if that's the case, i'd hate to see what you were like when you smoked.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by C0ckney


if that's the case, i'd hate to see what you were like when you smoked.

So you wrongfully acuse me of something and then turn around do it. Go ahead and keep speaking to your credibility.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
If you smoke pot you are stupider than you otherwise would be if you didn't. You have worse memory and attention and you may have a lower IQ.

Memory and attention in themselves have little to do with stupidity. I have already posted one example of how my experiences have included achievements that are the opposite of stupidity. There have been many others. I'm currently tempted to smoke a few spliffs in the near future for the purpose of sketching out potential solutions for a database application I need to design. It won't be the first time, and I wont be wrecked and wasted, I'll be lucid and imaginative. Maybe I won't and I'll solve it the dull way without the intuitive flashes and the adrenaline-fuelled fun.

Talking about memory and attention is quite valid. These areas may well be inhibited by THC. Creativity, inspiration, logical problem-solving are other areas.

Drugs are tools. They can be appropriate or inappropriate depending on circumstances, setting, dosage and other factors.

People who are basically fùcked-up anyway tend to blame the substances they abuse for all their problems. This is perhaps not surprising, but it is not a fair and rational assessment. It's easier to blame a substance than to take responsibility for one's own excesses and failures.

Oh, and being stoned 5,000 times is nothing special .

- and I haven't even started talking about music yet...

[Cort Haus]

Don't start me on the phoney bull**** of 'IQ' either.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Memory and attention in themselves have little to do with stupidity.

WTF?!

I have already posted one example of how my experiences have included achievements that are the opposite of stupidity.

I ignore things that people post in these threads that aren't interesting or supportive at all of their own argument. I've posted studies that prove that people who smoke pot are stupider. You have no evidence to prove that you are smart for or from smoking pot. In fact, you think that you are posting strong evidence when you are not and you in fact admit to being a pot smoker. That's evidence in itself.

Talking about memory and attention is quite valid. These areas may well be inhibited by THC. Creativity, inspiration, logical problem-solving are other areas.

No, what happens is that you are high and delusional expecially about your own abilities. You think that you are creating a masterpiece when you are in fact just creating a piece of crap maybe. You can't possibly deny that drugs make you have an inflated perception about things like taht now can you?

Drugs are tools. They can be appropriate or inappropriate depending on circumstances, setting, dosage and other factors.

That sounds insane to me. I would never think of using a drug as a tool, except for medicine of course.

People who are basically fùcked-up anyway tend to blame the substances they abuse for all their problems. This is perhaps not surprising, but it is not a fair and rational assessment. It's easier to blame a substance than to take responsibility for one's own excesses and failures.

Earth to Cort Haus! People don't blame drugs. They defend them. They claim that the drugs aren't harming them, and that they even help them. For christs sake, isn't that what you are doing? In fact, that's what everyone does who uses drugs. I've honestly never heard of a drug user who said that drugs were making them stupid. But in fact drugs do make you stupid. Hell, even crack heads claim that drugs make them smarter.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Don't start me on the phoney bull**** of 'IQ' either.

Do you have an issue with the evidence that I've posted?

[-Jrabbit]

OK, so I've put down Kidicious as "against legalization."
Does that about sum it up?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
OK, so I've put down Kidicious as "against legalization."
Does that about sum it up?

I'm against drug use. I do think a lot of people just want to get high legally. I know a lot of stoners btw, so no one here is fooling me.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Do you have an issue with the evidence that I've posted?

Of course he does.

So when you smoke pot it'll be harder to memorize a sequence of numbers or redraw a geometric form from memory.

Boo ****ing hoo.

[Tiamat]

5 Kid just 5 news reports that state a person smoked pot and killed someone.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by Kidicious


So you wrongfully acuse me of something and then turn around do it. Go ahead and keep speaking to your credibility.

kid do you ever wonder why lots of people have you on ignore? it's not because you're an arsehole (you're not), but because of the immense frustration involved in talking to and listening to someone who is like two short planks.

[Berzerker]

Snoopy

Unfortunately, cannabis is certainly not less dangerous to society than tobacco, and if used similarly to alcohol would also be much worse than alcohol (although it's much easier to consume alcohol, so it ends up probably as bad or worse).

I dont have the exact numbers, but the annual death toll is

tobacco - 400,000
pot - <100 ?

As for the alcohol comparison

alcohol - 75,000?
pot - <100

And that aint even getting into all the violence related to booze.

However, smoking pot is certainly much worse than drinking a small amount of alcohol, and it's IMO bad enough in terms of its inebriation effect that it should be not legal (as should drinking large amounts of alcohol).

Inebriation does not describe the effects of pot, the two aint comparable in that respect. Its kinda hard for me to explain this since I play golf under the influence of pot but I've also played more than just a little tipsy (it was medicinal, I was in horrible pain and couldn't finish the round without pills and vodka) and I still played very well. But I dont play any better sober! I do know what its like to drive under the influence of pot and booze, and there just aint no comparison. Booze is far more dangerous... Oh, and people drink alcohol with the expectation of getting a buzz, or more, so basing laws on the argument we can dilute alcohol so people can drink it without being under the influence is kinda silly

[Berzerker]

CH

Memory and attention in themselves have little to do with stupidity. I have already posted one example of how my experiences have included achievements that are the opposite of stupidity. There have been many others. I'm currently tempted to smoke a few spliffs in the near future for the purpose of sketching out potential solutions for a database application I need to design. It won't be the first time, and I wont be wrecked and wasted, I'll be lucid and imaginative. Maybe I won't and I'll solve it the dull way without the intuitive flashes and the adrenaline-fuelled fun.

Yup, I've had that feeling of getting high and having a flash of inspiration and solving a problem that was stumping me.

[Berzerker]

I do think a lot of people just want to get high legally

Imagine that! And a lot of us dont wanna pay for their jail space, or to pay people to chase them. That takes away from getting the bad people...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Of course he does.

So when you smoke pot it'll be harder to memorize a sequence of numbers or redraw a geometric form from memory.

Boo ****ing hoo.

Why don't you just cut your dick off?