Evil Estonians Crack Down on Helpless Russian Minority

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


Exhibit A to prove Russian media doesn't care about facts - the statue was RELOCATED, rpt, RELOCATED, not destroyed.

Not exactly. You perfectly know that initial plan was to destroy the monument and the fate of corpses was uncertain. But considering their PM's (or was it their president?) statements like: "there are no corpses" and "drunk Russians buried there" that fate wouldn't be so nice.
The fact that the monument was relocated not destroyed is the result of intense protests (including Russia's protests) and riots.

Exhibit B - not excavating but reburying from under a bus stop to a proper graveyard next to their comrades in arms.

Perhaps you'll explain how they ended up to be under a bus stop? I'll tell you. The local authorities brought a couple of trucks with asphalt and made a bus stop over a soldier's graves. Back then they called it "a reconstruction". Great reconstruction, my ass!
I believe the same "relocation" would have happen with the monument, if there were no protests and riots.

This whole thing is naked aggression against Estonia.

They brought it on themselves. Nobody else.

I wouldn't mind if they relocated and re-buried remains of soldiers with all proper military honours on that military cemetry, but not the way they did.

Åñëè áû îÃè ñðàçó ñäåëàëè âñå ïî-÷åëîâå÷åñêè, áåç îñêîðáëåÃèé è óãðîç, òî òàêèõ ïðîòåñòîâ áû ÃÃ¥ áûëî.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
That would change things a lot, had the statue been destroyed or handled with great disrespect. But since it was not, it was just moved to another place, military grave yard, where it IMO belongs in the first place.

Sure, it still might be a bit upsetting for many. But not so much that states needs to be involved.

I'm 100% sure if there were no such riots, it would have been just lost somewhere during the process of relocation. And protests started much earlier - months ago, when they wanted to destroy the monument, not to relocate.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Geronimo


I'm not certain Americans would care much if one of their war time monuments and the graves associated with it were relocated to another grave site containing the graves of other US soldiers. It would have to be done with obvious disrespect or destruction to bother them IMHO.

The relocation of the monument in Estonia was done with an obvious disrespect, pretty clear insults and threats to destroy it. As for graves, they are still digging there and I'm not sure what will happen with the corpses.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras
Russians are not Americans.

Of course. For such insults Americans would have just bombed Estonia to a stone age.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Serb


The relocation of the monument in Estonia was done with an obvious disrespect, pretty clear insults and threats to destroy it. As for graves, they are still digging there and I'm not sure what will happen with the corpses.

There's no question, obvious disrespect would be grossly offensive and grounds for outrage.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
Also, the visiting delegation is blaming Estonia for torturing some captives from the riots.

Uh, oh, yeah right. Who believes this stuff?

We are living in the age of cell phone cameras.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy0szDrLMUQ&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI7T938cdN0

Video from Tallinn's port cargo terminal-D (a filtration camp, which doesn't exist according to Estonian officials):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQo6VcFQShU

And this one is really scary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTJC1zYbD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrkinWUMVw&mode=related&search=

****ing Gestapo.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


The unknown soldier, resting calmly in the war cemetery. What was the issue again?

Btw, the original sign was "In the memory of fallen in WWII".

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


And this one is really scary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTJC1zYbD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjrkinWUMVw&mode=related&search=

****ing Gestapo.

?

Have you SEEN what you linked???

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
Not exactly. You perfectly know that initial plan was to destroy the monument and the fate of corpses was uncertain. But considering their PM's (or was it their president?) statements like: "there are no corpses" and "drunk Russians buried there" that fate wouldn't be so nice.

Can you read? Who gives a flying **** what the plan was (not that I admit there ever was a furmulated policy to destroy the statue, Estonians are not dumb)? we're discussing the recent rioting over a RELOCATION.

The fact that the monument was relocated not destroyed is the result of intense protests (including Russia's protests) and riots.

There were no riots like the ones last week.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


?

Have you SEEN what you linked???

Sure.
The first is the video where non-existed (according to Estonian officials) prisoners shouts: "you'll go to jail for that", "they've killed him" and "call to ambulance", then try to reanimate their commrade, while shocked Gestapo officer just stare at them and don't do a thing to help them. At the end of the second video you can see people who looks like medics (as for me) doing something with thing that imho looks like a body bag.

You find that funny?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


Can you read?

Obviously I cannot.

Who gives a flying **** what the plan was (not that I admit there ever was a furmulated policy to destroy the statue, Estonians are not dumb)? we're discussing the recent rioting over a RELOCATION.

The riots weren't over RELOCATION. Riots started when the statue was dismantled (they've saw it to pieces at the cover of the night) and moved to unknown direction.
You didn't notice that things calm down a bit when the statue was assembled and installed at the new place?

There were no riots like the ones last week.

Of course, because the monument was still there. The people organized themselves to protect it from vandals. The "Night Watch"

http://www.pomnim.com/index_eng.htm

was there every night for almost a year, iirc. Becuase the local police didn't give a flying **** (c). about the vandals who constantly desecrated the monument in the past.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


Can you read? Who gives a flying **** what the plan was (not that I admit there ever was a furmulated policy to destroy the statue, Estonians are not dumb)?

Estonians surely are not dumb. How such nice persons could be dumb?

btw, is it boy or girl? I can't tell for sure.

[Serb]

The picture on T-shirt is the photo of the monument they've erected in Tallin a couple of years ago.
So, no, Estonians are not dumb. They just don't like monuments dedicated to people who died in war vs. nazism, but love monuments dedicated to nazi.

They are nazi, not dumb. Everything is simple as that.

[Serb]

Nice summary of facts about Estonia:

http://www.bronze-soldier.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=44

[Saras]

Sure, resort to equating Estonian SS units with war criminals. Helps your reputation as a reasonable debater.