Evil Estonians Crack Down on Helpless Russian Minority

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Seriously lotm, don't you have any idea how racist you're being by turning your prejudices against an ethnic group into rock-solid Reality without any sort of facts to support that reality? Or is racism against Russians Good kind of (=allowed) racism in your mind, just like racism against "Anglos" was Good kind of racism in the mind of paiktis22?


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[Arrian]

LotM - VJ's right. The burden of proof is on those who claim Russia is guilty.

-Arrian

[lord of the mark]

Re: DanS'ed

Originally posted by VJ

Basically the fact that I have no proof to offer for The Jews being behind 9/11 simply shows how well the Jews covered their tracks. Again, tell me how it would be possible to uncover The Jews being behind it when they left no proof behind them?

Except we launched a massive investigation of who DID do it, an investigation in which nations around the world cooperated, and we found who did do it.

Right now, Serbs own posts link to a guy saying Russian nationalists probably were involved. It would seem logical at this point for the govt of Russia to actively cooperate in tracking down those Russian nationalists, and having them arrested. And then, you know, giving access to them to outside investigators to determine who they were connected with.

This isnt like showing a Jewish connection to 9/11. Its more like showing a Jewish connection to Jonathan Pollard.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by VJ
Seriously lotm, don't you have any idea how racist you're being by turning your prejudices against an ethnic group into rock-solid Reality without any sort of facts to support that reality? Or is racism against Russians Good kind of (=allowed) racism in your mind, just like racism against "Anglos" was Good kind of racism in the mind of paiktis22?

Im accusing a GOVERNMENT of involvement. Note well, a government isnt a race. Or is every attack upon the govt of Israel racist anti-semitism.

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Im accusing a GOVERNMENT of involvement

That would be credible if this would be the first knee-jerk anti-Russian (not anti-Russia, I am aware of the difference mind you) thread you're eagerly taking part of. OK lotm, I'll let you win this semantical game: let's just agree that you're just blaming the government this time. Perhaps I'm just mixing up names this time and confusing you with someone else, it's not a good idea to focus on discussing about the posters instead of the thread subjects.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
LotM - VJ's right. The burden of proof is on those who claim Russia is guilty.

-Arrian

Once again, this aint no court of law, I aint in position to put anyone in jail. I sees motive, I sees means, I sees opportunity. And I dont sees cooperation. When someone shows me cooperation in finding the true perps, I will drop my working hypothesis thats the FSB was involved. When I even hear some concern from the Govt of Russia or its apologists about this terrible thing done to a sovereign state, maybe I'll reconsider. Instead what I hear is, the Estonians are racist fascists, violating their soveriegnty is just as justified as what NATO did in Kosovo, but no, we werent actually behind the attacks.

You can give them the benefit of the doubt, if you wish.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by VJ

That would be credible if this would be the first knee-jerk anti-Russian (not anti-Russia, I am aware of the difference mind you) thread you're taking part of. OK lotm, I'll let you win this semantical game: let's just agree that you're only blaming the government this time.

Im not sure of your point. Im not going to pretend that the Russian Orthodox church didnt do some nasty things in the 19th century. I dont blame Russians alive today for that, anymore than I blame, say, Estonians for the actions of some pro-Nazi Estonians in 1943. I do blame the govt of Russia for its own actions.

[Saras]

Originally posted by VJ

Take this thread for example.

It's nothing but a ****ty and juvenile low-quality poster. We're not offered any context: it could be a single-print few kids glued to a street wall because they were bored and wanted to have a reason to giggle the first time someone encountered it.

That hurt so deep. Just because you don't know the context doesn't invalidate the thread (which to anyone with some sense of humour would be evident as tongue in cheek to a large extent (not fully though), at least in style. I mean, I exchanged friendly smilies with Serb of all people )

Here we have a thread by Saras where he's presuming (and presuming everyone agrees with his presumption -- it's a proven fact as far as he is concerned) that (1) these posters are an organised and well-financed campaign by the Russian government; (2) the campaign is managed by the "Nashis" and "the KGB" (wtf, KGB in 2007?).

How is stating my opinion, mock or true (irrelevant for this rebuttal), presuming everyone's agreeing? And if you don't know what is this Nashi organisation it's really your problem. I don't go arguing male-male anal sex with asher, for example.

When I notice that Saras has absolutely nothing to back up these far-out government conspiracy theories, I become astonished and ask him about it, just to see if he really did a Slaughtermeyer-esque IT'S A CONSPIRACY-thread without any proof whatsoever. He dismisses my requests for proof by saying that of course it's a KGB conspiracy -- what else could it be? "if it quacks like a duck, etc. dude".

What's rich is you were both prime posters in that thread and are now pretending that it doesn't exist.

Well if something looks like a duck and quacks like one... Stop, I mean, wtf, is there now presumption of innocence in internet boards?

Perhaps I should've made a copycat thread. Suppose a polytubbie posts a "USA is teh democtacy!11" thread where he would take a pic of "conguer meksiko" graffiti on a wall and then pretended that it would've of course meant that it is a CIA conspiracy to conquer Mexico, which supposedly proves that US isn't a democracy.

Try

How seriously would you take the polytubbie who would post such a thread? I mean, really?

really?

[Krill]

I think the Russinas wish they had invented spam, it might have won them the cod war by cutting down food costs.

[Saras]

Fascist Lithuanian aggressors lock their Soviet statues in a statue death camp!!!

http://www.grutoparkas.lt/ekspozicija-en.htm

[Colon™]

You know, those commies really were a boon for the statue-crafting industry.