Alexander

[MarkG]

Originally posted by dino_2d
No ofcourse not but you take something from civilisations that are culturaly more developed than you that is also happening today.

so they took the greek customs, language and religion but were still not greeks?

But thank you for addmiting

i didnt admit anything. i asked if you agreed to one of the theories some people are suggesting in order to "prove" that macedonians were not "that" greek but "just a little"...

[dino_2d]

Originally posted by Nickiow


Not a profitable argument though, in Alexanders time and before the Macedonians considered themselves Hellens and not Barbarians, they argue that they were the same as other Greeks, not that they had become adapted hellenic culture and become hellens.

Trojans, in your example, founded Rome, does that make Roman culture Trojan?. Would a 6 Cent Etruscan disagree?, more than a Pope of the 1600s? or less than the Deuce?.

Do you have an argument on linguistic, genitic study, or population movements, or just old fashoned history?, if so please share it so we can all profit from it.

I think that you are contradictory to your self
The Greeks didnt count Macedonians as Greeks but Macedonians count them self as a Greeks.
his theory of yours does not hold water.

[dino_2d]

Originally posted by MarkG
so they took the greek customs, language and religion but were still not greeks?

But thank you for addmiting

i didnt admit anything. i asked if you agreed to one of the theories some people are suggesting in order to "prove" that macedonians were not "that" greek but "just a little"...

Come on man this is not geting you anywhere even in my todays language there are a lot words that are same in the greek language.
And this they were not helene but just alittle dont you thing is a bit strange for official Greek theory.

[MarkG]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alexander

Originally posted by Nickiow
There was objections from some quarters and Phillip had to put his case to them

obviously other racers didnt want an unknown competitor that could take their victory

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html

that's a huge list, could you provide a more exact link?

[MarkG]

Originally posted by dino_2d
And this they were not helene but just alittle dont you thing is a bit strange for official Greek theory.

i think you have a problem understanding my english. read my post again

[dino_2d]

didnt admit anything. i asked if you agreed to one of the theories some people are suggesting in order to "prove" that macedonians were not "that" greek but "just a little"...

This is what u said

[MarkG]

and from which part of this quote do you understand that that is the "greek theory"?
i said "some people", not "greek people".....

[Last Conformist]

The ancestors of the FYROM Macedonians were Slavs who immigrated to the region in the middle ages. Deal with it.

[dino_2d]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
The ancestors of the FYROM Macedonians were Slavs who immigrated to the region in the middle ages. Deal with it.

And the half of europe wow man what a tribe

[dino_2d]

Originally posted by MarkG
and from which part of this quote do you understand that that is the "greek theory"?
i said "some people", not "greek people".....

but you are greek and if you start do doubt .....

[Sphinx871]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
The ancestors of the FYROM Macedonians were Slavs who immigrated to the region in the middle ages. Deal with it.

So are the ancestors of the FOPOGians. Deal with it.

DON'T GET IT TWISTED!!

[MarkG]

Originally posted by dino_2d
but you are greek and if you start do doubt .....

who said i doubted anything? you really need to get back to those english classes....

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Sphinx871
So are the ancestors of the FOPOGians. Deal with it.

The (genetic) ancestry of modern Greeks is quite mixed, with the Slav contribution very significant, but not anything like overwhelming.

Of course, the Slav contribution differs by region - very high in the north, very small on the islands.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by dino_2d


And the half of europe wow man what a tribe

Coming from a Slav, this is intensely amusing.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Cyclotron
Sure, the Macedonians and Greeks can argue about shared/seperate history as much as they want. They can rest assured that nobody else in the world will give a sh*t.

And in what position are you exactly to state something like this? I do give a s*it. I believe many others do as well.

This whole topic is just absurd. You know what? If Alexander teh Great were here, he wouldn't side with the Greeks, or the Macedonians. He'd just conquer both of your asses and probably end up maki*g Persian the dialect of the empire. So there.

You know whats absurd? You posting in this thread. How would you or anyone else have any idea what Alexanxer the Great would do? I understand you were trying to appear cool and all but its just not working, we arent idiots.

So let me get this straight. If my memory serves right in the beginning there were Minoans and Mycenians and Trojans. Then the Greek tribes including Dorians came, somewhere around this time the Macedonians inhabited the area around Pella and Thessalonika just East of Epeiros.

Greek city-states live side by side, gradually the hillbilly-Greeks, the Macedonians were too accepted among the "civilised" Greek nations. Persia weakens the old city states wich bierfly regain their glory only to drown in to their own blood in the Peloponesian War.

After the city-states have exhausted their energy the Kingdom of Macedonia takes the 1st position among the Greek nations. Alexander conquers half of the world and everywhere where he and his army has been Greek becomes the language of diplomacy. This Greek/Hellenic domination lasts until the spred of Islam.

Somewhere around the times of the East Roman Empire the Slavic tribes spread to the Balkans pillaging Greece on their quest for the glory and loot of the Ancient. Some of these Slavs settle North of Pella. Most of the ingenious Greek Macedonias are dead but remnants of their language continue living in a whopping number of 50 or so words in the modern FYROMian.

From this I would say that you(FYROMIANs) are as much Macedonian as todays Britons are Celts, Tunisians are Carthagians, Arabs living in Egypt Egyptians or Turks Jonians/Cappadocians/Anatolians/Hittitites. In other words, from close to nothing at all to nil. The modern Greeks IMO have far more grounds to claim the Alenxanders legacy. They are the descendants of the Ancients not you. Just like Italian is mostly vulgar Latin, the Modern Greek is vulgar Greek, theres no deniying it. And thats the language the ancient Macedonians spoke, with an accent of course as did everyone else.

Just my 2 cents.