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Originally posted by DanS
I don't buy this Sarkozy "provocations" line of argument. Do you say "please" and "thank you" to rioters?
I don't buy this Sarkozy "provocations" line of argument. Do you say "please" and "thank you" to rioters?
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You do not call an entire part of the French population (not only the rioters, but all the youngsters living in the cités) "scum". At least, not when you're the most mediatic politician in the country."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis -
What, did I step on somebody's code words?Originally posted by The Mad Viking
DanS - did you just type that?
The reason US has no immigrant riots is it has no legal poor immigrants.
Do you disagree that most black families have been in the US for many generations?
Besides, there are legal poor people all over the place of all stripes. It's even tough to make an inner city v. suburb distinction.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I am not aware of all of the linguistic nuances of what he said.Originally posted by Spiffor
(not only the rioters, but all the youngsters living in the cités)I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Let me rephrase: "lack of integration of those people into the polity". There aren't only immigrants or first-generation Frenchmen in there. There are also good oldfashioned gauls. Yet, those gauls can also participate.Originally posted by DanS
I don't agree with this. It seems like you are arguing a narrow specific (racism) when a broader explanation is required (lack of integration of immigrants into the polity, only one facet of which is racism).
Granted, this difference of view might be due to the fact that the US polity is not based on ethnicity/race, whereas it is based on ethnicity/race in most other countries. However, I note that this is my thread.
Thanks for the troll, but I'd like to remind you that France is one of these few countries that are also not based on ethnicity
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"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Torching cars seems like an activity in which all good french people can participate.There are also good oldfashioned gauls. Yet, those gauls can also participate.
But let's look at who's rioting, not who is available for rioting.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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And maybe the listeners aren't either. It doesn't matter. The perception of his speech is what I said. And this is what matters.Originally posted by DanS
I am not aware of all of the linguistic nuances of what he said.
On TV, I've heard plenty of people demanding an apology to Sarkozy for his insult. The interviewed people did not riot (at least not avowedly), but "understood" those who did."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Yes, please tell me what I don't know. After all, I'm only living in Paris' suburbs while you're living in Washington.Originally posted by DanS
But let's look at who's rioting, not who is available for rioting."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Good thing you're Johnny on the spot and personally interviewing the rioters as to their backgrounds!I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I thought he was referring specifically to criminal gangs. Does not the image of the Cites as havens of criminality add to the difficulty of combating racism and discrimination? Has not Sarkosy himself been in the forefront of such policies as limited "affirmative action" etc to combat the direct effects of discrimination - it seems that his approach is to both fight discrimination (using unorthodox means) and to fight crime and hooliganism. Im not sure (from what I can gather from the press here) that the hate the rioters have for Sarkosy is shared by all immigrants, and isnt rather resentment at his attacks on the gang dominance of the Cites.Originally posted by Spiffor
You do not call an entire part of the French population (not only the rioters, but all the youngsters living in the cités) "scum". At least, not when you're the most mediatic politician in the country."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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It is indeed good to hear your direct knowledge, and for us to show restraint in judging from far away. But realize Spiff, some of us have had people thousands of miles away from the US patiently explaining to us exactly why Bush was reelected, what the role of fundamentalist Christianity is in our country, how the schools were all teaching creationism, etc.Originally posted by Spiffor
Yes, please tell me what I don't know. After all, I'm only living in Paris' suburbs while you're living in Washington."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Good point LOTM
I gotta go right now, but I'll come back to this interesting thread when I'm back
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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I don't know as he has direct knowledge. It may be more direct than you and me, but when he plays the "insider" card, it's fair game to question how much he actually knows.
Besides, I didn't even get a "touché" from him.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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To be honest, I'm a little underwhelmed at the scale of the rioting and the government's tepid response. This has been going on for over a week, but only one person has died and only 4,000 cars have been torched total.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Think about the amount of money tourists did not leave in France.Originally posted by DanS
To be honest, I'm a little underwhelmed at the scale of the rioting and the government's tepid response. This has been going on for over a week, but only one person has died and only 4,000 cars have been torched total.
I see no discrimanation. They are guests in that country. They must expect to be treated as French. IIRC USA expels immigrants even for minor violations of law.money sqrt evil;
My literacy level are appalling.Comment
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Let me see, we have a group of people who are rioting because they perceive that the government considers them a lower class of human life.
Let's have our government spokeperson on the whole thing call them "scum".
That will certainly calm things down.
Sort of like "Bring 'em on!", only worse.
DanS- don't know about you, but around these parts, we don't use "those people" in polite company. Its alot like saying "******" or "****ing queer" or "dirty Jew bastard", all things we try not to say in polite company.
But I guess you already told us that linguisitic nuance is not your forté...Best MMORPG on the net: www.cyberdunk.com?ref=310845
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