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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
BlackCat, that's exactly what I've been talking about.
BlackCat, that's exactly what I've been talking about.
Besides - the faster these countries get evolved - the better for the planet.
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Yeah. When will people find out that we really can exploit other countries much more when they get up yo our level ?
Besides - the faster these countries get evolved - the better for the planet.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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That's why someone like Mugabe has been actively harassing anythings that reeks of intellect and independent thought. Can't blame the rich countries for this.Originally posted by BlackCat
Depriving a country of their high educated people is a certain way to keep up bad systems. You both send the most educated out of the country that could be the most obvious choices to rebel, and you maintain a low educated population that you can control.
If one installs relatives on all key-posts and loyalists on every level of the administration and beyond, regardless of merit, the talented and educated people are bound to get scared off. Raising education isn't going to do much to alleviate that. You don't need a degree in physics to govern competently.There are only one way to improve the conditions in third wolrd countries and that is by rising teir educational level - a drainage of such people to the industrial world will certainly not help.
And at least the people who migrate will be helped. Not good enough for you?
India has been a dirt-poor country for decades and with horrendous infrastructure. Its infrastructure is still rated very poorly despite the economic upturn.You can't really compare india with the rest - calling it a superpower would be too much, but it has so much infrastructure and economical power that it is hard to call it a third world country. That said - there are still a long way for them to go.
And in fact, when the Subsaharan African countries became independent, they were generally wealthier and possesed better infrastructure than those in South and South-East Asia. But Subsaharan Africa backslided and SE Asia at the least did not.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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No, you're not. You're simply giving a single example of one neighbourhood and extrapolating it to fit the situation as a whole. Look at the statistics in some of the major British cities; you'll see affluent areas where the majority of the population are white and poorer areas where the majority are Asian/Black.Originally posted by Bereta_Eder
I'm living proof that this is not the case. In my neighboorhood there are people from everywhere. Not that this is considered an advantage but I haven't noticed much problems. Some yes.STDs are like pokemon... you gotta catch them ALL!!!Comment
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There's signs of this beginning to happen in Ireland, but I believe that this is only when a certain critical mass of immigrants congregates in a certain area. Who creates this by putting them altogether in the first place? The government.Originally posted by Last Conformist
Actually, they often segregate on their own accord. In Sweden there's been talk of denying asylum seekers the right to chose where to live so as to counteract segregation.STDs are like pokemon... you gotta catch them ALL!!!Comment
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Seine-Saint-Denis is one of the roughest neighborhoods in france"Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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No. It's created by a) the immigrants desire to live with people like them, and b) the economics that more-or-less force them to go to the cheapest neighbourhoods.Originally posted by our_man
There's signs of this beginning to happen in Ireland, but I believe that this is only when a certain critical mass of immigrants congregates in a certain area. Who creates this by putting them altogether in the first place? The government.
@Laz: The Indians were not immigrants.
As for your examples of immigration-related tension in America, do you have any quantitative data to say that that DanS is wrong about America has had less such than Europe in the last few decades?Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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Self-defense.Originally posted by joncha
What "right" do you have to prevent them?He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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While I agree to some extent with you, there isn't all that much for educated people to do about some hostile government / cultural systems. Certainly no one would blame educated people for fleeing Pol Pot or the Taliban. A lot of bad regimes actively try to drive away their intellectuals who they see as a threat. Perhaps if we outlawed all immigration these systems would be under increased internal pressures and fail more rapidly, but perhaps not.Originally posted by BlackCat
Depriving a country of their high educated people is a certain way to keep up bad systems. You both send the most educated out of the country that could be the most obvious choices to rebel, and you maintain a low educated population that you can control.
There are only one way to improve the conditions in third wolrd countries and that is by rising teir educational level - a drainage of such people to the industrial world will certainly not help.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!Comment
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...which are due to the government's inabilities to address inequalities in society.Originally posted by Last Conformist
the economics that more-or-less force them to go to the cheapest neighbourhoods.
STDs are like pokemon... you gotta catch them ALL!!!Comment
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Re: Re: Immigrant Riots
Inaposite. The immigrants from Korea weren't the ones rioting.Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
The LA riots in 1992 saw a lot of conflict between black and Korean Americans
I don't remember any Italian riots. Perhaps you do?While having a quick Google, I turned up some things that surprised me. I didn't realise there was such violence surrounding Italian immigrants to the US.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Re: Re: Immigrant Riots
Thanks! Forgot about that one.Originally posted by lord of the mark
Dan - i thought you were from DC? Mt Pleasant, 1991. Central Americans rioted after some African American cops arrested somebody for drinking in public.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You silly arse. Of course they weren't. The whites were.Originally posted by Last Conformist
@Laz: The Indians were not immigrants.
Google is your friend. Go looking. It's fun.As for your examples of immigration-related tension in America, do you have any quantitative data to say that that DanS is wrong about America has had less such than Europe in the last few decades?The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil FinlandComment
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Cop out! Booo!I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Re: Re: Re: Immigrant Riots
The news footage I saw showed Korean shopkeepers firing guns during the riots. Whether that was justifiable self-defence or not is a moot point, but you'll note that the quotes I pulled certainly indicates seriously strained relations- somewhat removed from huggy-wuggy love between the monorities, wouldn't you agree?Originally posted by DanS
Inaposite. The immigrants from Korea weren't the ones rioting.
I've got the biggest mass lynching in US history. Will that do?I don't remember any Italian riots. Perhaps you do?The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil FinlandComment
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They weren't the rioters, so what does it have to do with this thread?The news footage I saw showed Korean shopkeepers firing guns during the riots. Whether that was justifiable self-defence or not is a moot point
I didn't mention minorities, but rather immigrants. We have plenty of immigrants who are not minorities, and minorities who are not immigrants.but you'll note that the quotes I pulled certainly indicates seriously strained relations- somewhat removed from huggy-wuggy love between the monorities, wouldn't you agree
Dunno. Let's hear the details.I've got the biggest mass lynching in US history. Will that do?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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