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Last edited by Ted Striker; August 3, 2020, 18:07.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln -
Noneed to get immigrants to do the dirty work - just go out and beat up someone from an ethnic group that are ripe for making "fun" in the streets.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Send those guys over here, we need another riot to deflate these damn home prices in Southern California. Our poor class has been adequatley pacifified, so I don't see another riot coming any time soon.
On the other hand who do youths, "throw MISSILES."?
You may be some kind of singleminded when it comes to missiles - that doesn't mean something hitech, just something going through the air - a stone is actually a quite efficient missile
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Do you have anything to say about the subject of this thread?Originally posted by Oerdin
If they are not citizens and they commit crimes while rioting then they should be deported. Immigration is not a right. If people are good and law abiding then they should be allowed to immigrate; it all just depends on if they'll improve the nation or harm the nation with their presence.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I disagree. People should be free to move wherever that pleases them. I abhor this notion that people have no right to live somewhere because they happened to have been born elsewhere.Originally posted by Oerdin
If they are not citizens and they commit crimes while rioting then they should be deported. Immigration is not a right. If people are good and law abiding then they should be allowed to immigrate; it all just depends on if they'll improve the nation or harm the nation with their presence.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Why ?Originally posted by Colon
I disagree. People should be free to move wherever that pleases them. I abhor this notion that people have no right to live somewhere because they happened to have been born elsewhere.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Because it's absurd. Migration is inherently human and every society on earth has at some point been born out of or been defined by immigrantion. This idea that a country's own citizens are worth more in similar situations (throw out an immigrant who has broken the law, but not a citizens) may be understandable, but it's certainly not rational.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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You are right, and I don't mind migrations - we have had waves of froggies, duchies, poles, germans, norwegians swedes etc for centuries so finding a "pure" dane is quite difficult - I myself is more or less a 2 generation descendant of sewdes, froggies and germansOriginally posted by Colon
Because it's absurd. Migration is inherently human and every society on earth has at some point been born out of or been defined by immigrantion. This idea that a country's own citizens are worth more in similar situations (throw out an immigrant who has broken the law, but not a citizens) may be understandable, but it's certainly not rational..
Migration is fine as long as it happens because there are working opportunities, but what when there aren't such ? What if the reason to migrate is that the host country offers better SS but can't provide jobs ? What abaout brain drainage ? do you think it's ok to take hard earned knowledge out of poor and undeveloped countries to increase your wealth ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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Yep, it's nationalistic nonsense. I'm pretty sure people in Provence are more similar genetically to North Italians and Catilans than they are to Parisians, for example. And, as I said in another thread, many people in eastern Germany have a significant slavic component to thier ancestry. Anther example, a lot of German Hansa merchants settled in Bergen, Norway.Originally posted by Colon
Because it's absurd. Migration is inherently human and every society on earth has at some point been born out of or been defined by immigrantion. This idea that a country's own citizens are worth more in similar situations (throw out an immigrant who has broken the law, but not a citizens) may be understandable, but it's certainly not rational.Comment
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To both Odin and Colon.
You are both right that there has been massive migrations historically, but there are a little difference between then and now. In the good old days there where lots of free land to settle but that isn't the case today.
Immigrants today has to be highly educated if they shall have a chance of getting a job.
It actually doesn't make any sense claminig that "in old days migration wasn't a problem" - that is quite true, but that doesn't nessecarily make that claim true today.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I wouldn't say that human migration didn't cause problems in the old days. What about the millenia of warfare caused by human migration, stretching from pre-history up to the end of th 19th century?Originally posted by BlackCat
"in old days migration wasn't a problem" - that is quite true, but that doesn't nessecarily make that claim true today.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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If I were to live on Belgian welfare that would be fine, but if the person who happens to have been born elsewhere does, that would not? And the migran, moving across continents in often dangerous circumstances, and at high costs, looking to profit from welfare is little but a myth. Illegal immigrants have little prospect at such, but they migrate anyway. They also mostly take up jobs the local population refuses to handle, or fill up shortages in certain positions.Originally posted by BlackCat
You are right, and I don't mind migrations - we have had waves of froggies, duchies, poles, germans, norwegians swedes etc for centuries so finding a "pure" dane is quite difficult - I myself is more or less a 2 generation descendant of sewdes, froggies and germans.
Migration is fine as long as it happens because there are working opportunities, but what when there aren't such ? What if the reason to migrate is that the host country offers better SS but can't provide jobs ? What abaout brain drainage ? do you think it's ok to take hard earned knowledge out of poor and undeveloped countries to increase your wealth ?
If an educated migrant moves to Belgium because he believes there's more opportunity around here, that's his own decision. What gives anyone else the right to interfere in it?
Besides, it's a win-win situation. Such people earn vastly more than they would at their home-country, and send dozens of billions back home.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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This does not come close to describing the illegal immigrant situation in the U.S.Originally posted by Colon
the migrant, moving across continents in often dangerous circumstances, and at high costs, looking to profit from welfare is little but a myth. Illegal immigrants have little prospect at such, but they migrate anyway.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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Wrong. I already said there was plenty of intra-European migration during the 19th century. People of Belgian nationality in (northern) France peaked at 400.000-500.000 during the 19th century, and conversely, many Dutchmen, Frenchmen and Germans moved to Belgium. Italians moved in for decades since WWI, and they still stand at 185.000 of Italian nationality (out of 10 million) today. We're talking about Europe's most densely populated area here. No opportunity to settle in new lands.Originally posted by BlackCat
You are both right that there has been massive migrations historically, but there are a little difference between then and now. In the good old days there where lots of free land to settle but that isn't the case today.
People move because the situation at home has became untenable, and the move to areas that offer most prospect of advancement, whatever the precise circumstances.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Colon
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Ehrm - no. It should actually beOriginally posted by joncha
Colon
to colon. Historically he is right, but hia claims that because it was ok in old days doesn't nessecarily make it sane today.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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