Immigrant Riots

[Sikander]

Originally posted by joncha
No, his claim is that being unlucky enough to be born on the wrong side of an imaginary line should not give you any less rights than someone who wasn't. To that I say .

The line is less imaginary than the "right" to immigrate whether or not anyone wants you.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DanS


Do you have anything to say about the subject of this thread?

I saw you post about deportations and thought this was about the French deporting illegal immigrants.

BTW still waiting for that avatar.

[Fake Boris]

On a related note:

1. Sarkozy claimed he would rid the place of the evil gangstas
2. Apparently a police grenade was thrown into a mosque.
3. France pursues its disgusting policy of "random" identity checks (read: in Muslim neighborhoods)

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
It's widely asserted that America is better at integration of immigrants than is Europe. That's probably a bigger reason than the threat of deportation.

It's probably easier to integrate when you can herd the natives onto reservations at gunpoint.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


It's probably easier to integrate when you can herd the natives onto reservations at gunpoint.

I suppose this is supposed to be funny or insightful, but it's neither.

[Last Conformist]

Contrast this to Europe, where immigrants are not actively encouraged to integrate into the population. They're usually segragated into their own communities by government housing allocation; consequently there's no driving force to integrate as everything is exactly like home in there areas.

Actually, they often segregate on their own accord. In Sweden there's been talk of denying asylum seekers the right to chose where to live so as to counteract segregation.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by our_man

Contrast this to Europe, where immigrants are not actively encouraged to integrate into the population. They're usually segragated into their own communities by government housing allocation; consequently there's no driving force to integrate as everything is exactly like home in there areas. The message is sent out that it's perfectly OK to keep your own culture, even if it contradicts with the culture of the society immigrants find themselves in.

I'm living proof that this is not the case. In my neighboorhood there are people from everywhere. Not that this is considered an advantage but I haven't noticed much problems. Some yes.

[Odin]

The main problem as I see it is that in Europe, the immigrants, esecially the middle-eastern ones, don't want to intergrate, and this segergation is even encouraged by PC nut uber-relativists concerned about not "offendeng" the immigrant's cultural values.

It is different in the US because more often then not, American culture absorbs the culture of the immigrants ("the melting pot"), making intergration easier.

[Bereta_Eder]

This is simply the discussion about multiculturalism vs absortion.

I suppose in the US you are expected to hold some values such as allegience to the state, nice family, playing baseball etc.

In Greece is a bit similar. I think more to the US than to some other western countries. You are expected to respect the state and not engage in illegal activities. Of course, how much the state will respect you it's another matter. But basically I think it is about respect and progress. Which is seen as having a family and having your kids go to school and be "good citizens".
Groups have vast differences. Albanians can do that with amazing ease. The "good families" after one generation you can't tell apart a Greek kid from an Albanian kid in working class societies. Of course the similarity could well be superficial. Different mentalities are still there. But there's a big drive to integrate in the Albanian population. The good one. The bad is another matter, they're just here to loot the rich pig.
Other groups have bigger problems. I think Pakistanis are to a large extend segragated. Also middle-eastern people but that also hugely depends. Syrians have no problems for example AFAIK.

Fortunately because we are the "sui generis" country that we are we have a barometer of integration of kids to Greek society in each of our 2 national holidays. It is going well since the incidents become less and less.
It goes like this. The best student kid (best grades) of his/her school carries the flag in the natioanl parade representing his school. This is considered a huge honour. If the kid is foreign the law explicitly gives him that right too. Then there's the local societies. Perfectures, small towns, villages. In this year's 28 Oct for example (the celebration of the NO to collaborate with the Axis and beating the Italians/fighting the Germans) there were very few objections from local societies (just 2) when the kid who was raising the flag was foreign (most of the time Albanian)

[joncha]

Originally posted by Sikander


The line is less imaginary than the "right" to immigrate whether or not anyone wants you.

What "right" do you have to prevent them?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Last Conformist

I suppose this is supposed to be funny or insightful, but it's neither.

It's called "history".

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Re: Immigrant Riots

Originally posted by DanS
So I've been wondering when the last real immigrant riot happened in the US

The LA riots in 1992 saw a lot of conflict between black and Korean Americans

http://www.apa.si.edu/Curriculum%20Guide-Final/unit1.htm

The most highly visible example of racial tension began on April 29, 1992 in South Central Los Angeles, California, when African American customers revolted violently against Korean American merchants. The result of a long series of racially-charged events, the three days of violent chaos would prove to be the most destructive riot in U.S. history. Commonly referred to by Korean Americans as “Sa-I-Gu,” which translates literally from Korean as “ 4-2-9” or April 29, this tragedy shook the Korean American population to the core. Of the $850 million in estimated property damage, Korean Americans sustained 47% or $400 million of that damage, and of the 3,100 businesses destroyed, approximately 2,500 of them were owned by Korean Americans.

The events were portrayed by the media as an all-out racially motivated battle between Korean American merchants and disgruntled African American residents. In fact, the conflict was a result of a far more complex situation involving two minority groups who were both plagued by a history of racial inequality and oppression.

In spite of the tragic events that unfolded, the Korean American community also made hopeful progress as a direct result of the riots. For the first time in American history, Korean Americans found a unifying voice. They organized to stop the rioting, to ultimately find peace with their African American neighbors, and to move ahead in cooperation with one another. United activism became an important new way of life for many Korean Americans.

While having a quick Google, I turned up some things that surprised me. I didn't realise there was such violence surrounding Italian immigrants to the US.

[C0ckney]

did you not see 'the godfather'?

[Dinner]

Re: Re: Immigrant Riots

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp

While having a quick Google, I turned up some things that surprised me. I didn't realise there was such violence surrounding Italian immigrants to the US.

In the 19th century people in the US were still very Protestant and they were of the Catholic vs Protestant mentality found in so much of Europe at the time. Many of he Protestant groups tried to create laws to prevent Catholics from immigrating, hoiwever, businesses needed workers so they kept resisting tightening of immigration laws. Then there was the unions who wanted to limit new laborers entering the country in order to push up wages. In the end business and pro-immigration groups won and the counry is better because of it.

There were more then a few hick ups along the way though.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Didn't you have some minor disturbances in California a couple of years ago ?

That started with blacks being upset at the cops who beat Rodney King but quickly turned into an opportunity for looting among the poor, mostly Latino, underclass. Blacks are a nonimmigratant ethnic minority.