Immigrant Riots

[joncha]

No, his claim is that being unlucky enough to be born on the wrong side of an imaginary line should not give you any less rights than someone who wasn't. To that I say .

[BlackCat]

Yeah, that was a fine idea in the good old days when we only was a couple of billions - unfortunatedly we are now several more and that changes tings radically.

It is completely insane to deprive the third world of it's skilled popolation just to maintain the current level in the socalled first world.

Colon's claims is actually pretty egoistic because it mainly concerns his whereabouts - not people in common.

[Theben]

Originally posted by BlackCat
It is completely insane to deprive the third world of it's skilled popolation just to maintain the current level in the socalled first world.

Colon's claims is actually pretty egoistic because it mainly concerns his whereabouts - not people in common.

You go, comrade! Damn those individuals who care only about themselves!

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Yeah, that was a fine idea in the good old days when we only was a couple of billions - unfortunatedly we are now several more and that changes tings radically.

It is completely insane to deprive the third world of it's skilled popolation just to maintain the current level in the socalled first world.

Colon's claims is actually pretty egoistic because it mainly concerns his whereabouts - not people in common.

People wanting to move to places that offer more opportunity seems like a pretty scaleable thing. Otherwise there'd be empirical evidence migration flows decrease with global population growth.

And it's not like we force people to move down here. They decide to migrate because they feel their homeplaces does not offer enough opportunity. I also repeat they send billions back home to support their families. Or would you rather have that a biologist earns 2,000 a year rather than 20,000 a year, sending half of that back home?

Besides, for all I care the immigrant can take as many people with him as he likes. No need to leave anyone behind.

Finally, a Chinese can move thousands of kilometres to Guangzhou, but a Morrocan cannot cross the Strait of Gibraltar?

[DanS]

This has turned into a pro or anti immigration thread?

It's all Colon's fault.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Colon


I disagree. People should be free to move wherever that pleases them. I abhor this notion that people have no right to live somewhere because they happened to have been born elsewhere.

Criminals have a right to move to where ever the pickings are richest?

[joncha]

Immigrants are criminals now?

[notyoueither]

Brilliant attempt, but no cigar this time, Sherlock.

[joncha]

But I tried so hard.

[notyoueither]

We give points for that.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
On the other hand who do youths, "throw MISSILES."?

any projectile can be called a missile.

[our_man]

My twopence:

There are two reasons that the USA is better at integrating immigrants than Europe, and why Europe's immigration problems will probably get worse.

1) The multiculturalism ideal that's held up in Europe. In the USA immigrants have to take citizenship classes and there's general postive reinforcement of the national identity all around them, so much so that it's almost subliminal.

Contrast this to Europe, where immigrants are not actively encouraged to integrate into the population. They're usually segragated into their own communities by government housing allocation; consequently there's no driving force to integrate as everything is exactly like home in there areas. The message is sent out that it's perfectly OK to keep your own culture, even if it contradicts with the culture of the society immigrants find themselves in.

2) The quality of immigrants. IMHO America attracts more immigrants that want to integrate - they travel to America in active pursuit of the 'American Dream' to better their lives. Immigrants to Europe come to better their lives, but they don't have this national ideal to aspire to. They see they can still have a better standard of living while keeping their old ways. There's a state that will provide for them rather than encourage them to go out and make the most from their situation. In America it's more 'sink or swim'.

[Ramo]

It is completely insane to deprive the third world of it's skilled popolation just to maintain the current level in the socalled first world.

Colon's claims is actually pretty egoistic because it mainly concerns his whereabouts - not people in common.

Immigrants generally send massive amounts of remittances to their families back home. The World Bank estimated remittances from immigrants in the West to developing states to be ~$125 billion last year. You also have large numbers of people who go back after finishing their education, to start a business, etc.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by BlackCat

You forgot to mention why they did it - they didn't want to be conscripts in the army

Well that's what it was called, but it was largely a race riot against African Americans. Many were hung from the street lamps.

[Dr Strangelove]

You also have huge numbers of people moving away after finishing their education in their home country. IIRC over the past few decades somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 of medical graduates in the Phillipines have moved to other countries. They send money back, but I woinder if the amount really off sets the money invested them by their home country? The "brain drain" of the developing countries has been recognized for a long time. It's not talked about because the develoiping countries eagerly use their services, but I wonder what the real effect is on the developing countries?