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You silly arse. Of course they weren't. The whites were.
Are you being purposefully stupid or something? What we're discussing is the ability of the the society erected by the whites to assimilate immigrants. The Indians are irrelevant to that, since they weren't immigrants, and they had a neglible role in forming modern American society. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.
As for googling, if you want to convince me of something, it's up to you to present data and arguments for it.
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Later riots against Italian immigrants in the late 1800s, as seen during the New Orleans riot of 1891, continued into the twentieth century as seen between Jewish and Italian (and to a certain extent Irish) immigrants in New York City, New York in the late 1890s, French-Canadian and Irish immigrants in Providence, Rhode Island during the early 1900s and Irish and Italian immigrants in the Alderman's War of 1916 in Chicago, Illinois.
The lynching of 11 Italians in New Orleans in 1891, the largest mass lynching in American history, was a terribly violent occasion that provoked an international crisis as Italy formally protested and demanded restitution to the families of the victims. It was the most extreme result of prejudice and discrimination. Virtually every newcomer ethnic group into this country has experienced a degree of discrimination, however, the New Orleans incident graphically illustrated the excessive cost that prejudice and discrimination could exact. The background to the event seemed simple enough. When the police commissioner of New Orleans was killed, suspicion fell upon eleven Sicilian immigrants who were put on trial but were declared not guilty.
A mob was incited to storm the jail in which the accused were incarcerated, to forcibly extract them, then shoot and lynch them. That there were several other Italians lynched in several locations during this era underscores the danger faced by newcomers under certain intemperate circumstances. Even minus the extremes it was not uncommon for Italian immigrants and their issue to face degrees of hostility and discrimination based largely on perceptions that they displayed ignorance, were lazy or detrimental to labor interests, practiced religious superstition, and most of all were inclined toward criminality. Well into the second half of the twentieth century furthermore, the antagonistic displays were, blatant, blunt, unsubtle, and unapologetic. Happily, much of this behavior has lessened; however, it would naïve to believe that anti-Italian discrimination is a thing of the past, although contemporary discrimination is subtle, indirect and more likely to be manifest in omission and stereotyping.
Are you being purposefully stupid or something? What we're discussing is the ability of the the society erected by the whites to assimilate immigrants. The Indians are irrelevant to that, since they weren't immigrants, and they had a neglible role in forming modern American society. This really shouldn't be hard to understand.
Hilarious. OK, so all the black riots don't count, because they're "race riots", and the conflicts with Indians don't count because it was the whites who were the immigrants in that case. Any other belated caveats you want to introduce?
As for googling, if you want to convince me of something, it's up to you to present data and arguments for it.
The New Orleans riots sound like anti-immigrant rioting, not immigrant rioting.
In any event, I think it more relevant to see recent examples of immigrants rioting in the US. It looks like LotM is Johnny-on-the-spot here, as the only one to actually detail a recent immigrant riot (I'm sure there are some -- it's a big country, after all -- but it seems like surprisingly few).
I note that the Mount Pleasant riots were pretty mild. Nobody was killed on either side, IIRC.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Electric City Immigrants: Italians and Poles of Schenectady, N.Y., 1880-1930 is a doctoral dissertation by Robert R. Pascucci. This online version is part of the Schenectady Digital History Archive, affiliated with the NYGenWeb, USGenWeb and American History and Genealogy Projects and the American Local History Network
There's bits about riots by Italians in a later chapter.
Fighting back doesn't necessarily mean you're rioting in my book. The Korean shopkeepers fighting back during the LA riots is a prime example. I doubt many Americans describe this as rioting.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Originally posted by DanS
Fighting back doesn't necessarily mean you're rioting in my book. The Korean shopkeepers fighting back during the LA riots is a prime example. I doubt many Americans describe this as rioting.
Quite right, a more correct term would be civil war.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Yes, it would probably be a more correct term, but still wrong.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Originally posted by DanS
Yes, it would probably be a more correct term, but still wrong.
Ignoring the legal system and fight against another ethnical group isn't civil war ? Plese tell me what it then is.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
One of the interesting things to me about the Paris riots is that the poorer immigrant areas are the suburbs. Quite the opposite from anycity USA, where the suburbs are usually the wealthier areas.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Originally posted by DanS
One of the interesting things to me about the Paris riots is that the poorer immigrant areas are the suburbs. Quite the opposite from anycity USA, where the suburbs are usually the wealthier areas.
That dates back from when there was a ring of industrial suburbs around Paris (called the Red Belt of something, IIRC correctly since it was the commie heartland in France). With deindustrialization and whatnot the old Red Belt is probably dirt poor these days...
I consider that an immigration issue, at least as far as this discussion goes (a comparative discussion between the US and Europe). As far as I know, those two communities are largely first generation or second generation immigrants?
You could consider it a custard pie issue, but that wouldn't make it right either.
Immigrants, immigration and riots over immigration are entirely distinct from small elements of two established communities getting involved in sporadic violence over an alleged sexual assault.
But then the phrase 'as far as I know' speaks volumes for what you do and don't know about the residents of Birmingham.
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I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
That dates back from when there was a ring of industrial suburbs around Paris (called the Red Belt of something, IIRC correctly since it was the commie heartland in France). With deindustrialization and whatnot the old Red Belt is probably dirt poor these days...
I don't think that's the case. The 19th century belt has been surrounded by a new belt of 'banlieus', build during the 60's and the 70's. They're wastelands of modern urban 'planning', full of bland towers blocks, totally devoid of the slightest hint of liveliness or cosiness. You should try walk around in one (but not for too long), it's just mindnumbingly dull.
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