It's a utilitarian argument, the same one used by folks who colonised already inhabited areas, because they felt that the land was being wasted. Use is a subjective measure, and can justify stealing anything.
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Any goods in that city are a total wash. Store owners are going to declare as lost their entire inventory. There's no chance anything is going to be in any condition to sell in a month or two when they finally drain the water.
Anybody who defends a moral system in which it's better to throw goods into a fire rather than let property "rights" be violated is off their rockers...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
It's a utilitarian argument, the same one used by folks who colonised already inhabited areas, because they felt that the land was being wasted. Use is a subjective measure, and can be justified to steal anything.
The utility of land in the hands of native peoples is a complex issue. The utility of a TV whose insides have been corroded is not.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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Any goods in that city are a total wash. Store owners are going to declare as lost their entire inventory. There's no chance anything is going to be in any condition to sell in a month or two when they finally drain the water.
Anybody who defends a moral system in which it's better to throw goods into a fire rather than let property "rights" be violated is off their rockers...Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!
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Originally posted by Az
don't feel bad. Project Kuciwalker is proceeding smoothly enough - Look at how he defended looting to save stuff, plus I think he went utilitarian - now the only thing left is to prove to him that a planned economy will enjoy the benefits of technology much more than a market one, and we'll so be done.
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What a ridiculous statement.
The utility of land in the hands of native peoples is a complex issue. The utility of a TV whose insides have been corroded is not.
The only time someone says that they can use something better than someone else is if they want to steal something that isn't theirs to begin with.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Ok, does that make the goods mine?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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Jewish law has a concept of "hefker" or abandoned property, which is free for the taking. IIUC this would usually apply to property left abandoned in a public place. Damaged goods on private property are up to that private property owner to dispose of as he sees fit - he can donate it to the charity of HIS choice, or he can try to gain some value out of it, or he can choose to destroy them, for whatever reason.
Utility here is based on the rule, not the act. IF we allowed every individual to confiscate property whenever there doing so had greater utility, the result would be a system that would lower utility.
Its up to governments to confiscate property for reasons of social utililty, not individuals. Much less armed gangs."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So why bother to steal something that is useless to you? That has no value?
The only time someone says that they can use something better than someone else is if they want to steal something that isn't theirs to begin with.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio Regum
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
It makes them finders keepers., sure. If you abandon property then whoever can make good use of that property should be welcome to it.
If i leave a movable item inside my locked store, how is that abandoning it?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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If you abandon property then whoever can make good use of that property should be welcome to it.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
Jewish law has a concept of "hefker" or abandoned property, which is free for the taking. IIUC this would usually apply to property left abandoned in a public place. Damaged goods on private property are up to that private property owner to dispose of as he sees fit - he can donate it to the charity of HIS choice, or he can try to gain some value out of it, or he can choose to destroy them, for whatever reason.
Utility here is based on the rule, not the act. IF we allowed every individual to confiscate property whenever there doing so had greater utility, the result would be a system that would lower utility.
Its up to governments to confiscate property for reasons of social utililty, not individuals. Much less armed gangs.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
The same concept of property that protects what I own is the same thing that protects everyone elses. That being said I don't have much property, so why don't I take some from other people who are just letting it go to waste?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio Regum
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Have they abandoned the property? Or do they intend to return to their property when conditions permit?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio Regum
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