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  • #136
    Originally posted by Fez

    Suharto was corrupt and the US stopped supporting him after a while like Noriega. The Shah of Iran was not that bad but his plans were not on track. The talibans no... the US supported the mujahedins. The taliban were an extremist government the US never supported. Sure some of the taliban is some mujahedin commanders but Pashtun. The US mostly supported Uzbeks and Tajiks during the Soviet Occupation whom resisted. Pinochet did well to the chilean economy and made it grow and so did Somoza and Batitista to their economies. Under Somoza the economy was actually growing significantly, the same with Batitista with his country.
    Wether the dictator turned corrupt after a while or did marvels for the economy isn´t the question here. The US supported dictators, plain and simple!

    And they did support the mujahedins that later were to emerge as the talibans... Fact of the matter is that the US supported the talibans because they wanted someone under their heel that provided a stable enough government to allow its business interests to go through with the proposed oil and gas route through Afghanistan. As late as 1996 the US administration had welcomed Talibans control over Kabul with Acting State Department Spokesman Glyn Davies words: "There is nothing objectionable about the version of Islamic law, the Taliban has imposed in the areas controlled by it."
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    • #137
      Originally posted by Kamrat X


      Wether the dictator turned corrupt after a while or did marvels for the economy isn´t the question here. The US supported dictators, plain and simple!
      And I would of supported a dictator too.. and his name is Franco.

      And they did support the mujahedins that later were to emerge as the talibans...
      No. They supported the Uzbek and Tajik mujahedins. The Taliban were Pashtun.

      Fact of the matter is that the US supported the talibans because they wanted someone under their heel that provided a stable enough government to allow its business interests to go through with the proposed oil and gas route through Afghanistan.
      Well the soviets wanted a clear water port in Pakistan and didn't get it? That is why they invaded Afghanistan.

      And another thing is that oil and gas route would of helped Afghanistan.

      As late as 1996 the US administration had welcomed Talibans control over Kabul with Acting State Department Spokesman Glyn Davies words: "There is nothing objectionable about the version of Islamic law, the Taliban has imposed in the areas controlled by it."
      Then the Taliban took an extreme turn in 1998 and the US stopped supporting it.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Kamrat X
        Fact of the matter is that the US supported the talibans because they wanted someone under their heel that provided a stable enough government to allow its business interests to go through with the proposed oil and gas route through Afghanistan.
        Yes, that sounds like the reason the Taliban didn't want the pipeline.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #139
          Originally posted by Fez


          It didn't topple Venezuela. It just didn't.

          Paiktis, your ignorance is too great to be expressed on this forum.
          The US backed coup in Venezuela backfired for some reason or other, I haven´t figured out why yet...

          And you seem a little too eager to call other people ignorant. There is more than one side of a coin you know... It´s not ignorant to point out that there is a head to the people convinced there is only tails.
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          • #140
            Now if this pipeline gets built... a lot of jobs can be created. Ecuador for example is going to create 50,000 jobs with a new pipeline project. Just imagine what that can be like for Afghanistan. A new fresh, good start. But pipelines don't get built overnight... it takes time.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #141
              Originally posted by Kamrat X


              The US backed coup in Venezuela backfired for some reason or other, I haven´t figured out why yet...
              No it didn't. It didn't even say anything about it. That is the problem... the coup didn't have US support and backfired because there was no help. Chavez will be thrown out anyways in a couple of months and this time probably a bullet in the head as his popularity falls below 20%.

              And you seem a little too eager to call other people ignorant. There is more than one side of a coin you know... It´s not ignorant to point out that there is a head to the people convinced there is only tails.
              You are ignorant. Simple as that.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #142
                The united states would never have been forced to put up with dictatorial regimes if not for fear they would join the soviets...

                And don't kid yourself. The soviet system was murderous and destructive. Nothing can justify the millions killed by the soviet government.
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                • #143
                  Originally posted by Fez

                  You are ignorant. Simple as that.
                  It´s your response to everything that doesn´t fit into your view of the world, isn´t it? Really, Fez, have you only changed your name?

                  Regarding the US-Taliban relations read "Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia"
                  by Ahmed Rashid.

                  It´s too late for these discussions. Good night
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                  • #144
                    Or read something by Ahmad Rashad.

                    Heh heh heh.

                    Football player.
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                    • #145
                      It is getting late Kamrat, but some people remain ignorant and are ignorant of what the world is really about. They call themselves communists.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #146
                        Oh good...another of Poly's infamous DL starts thread - DL banned - one person makes comment - someone gets fired up - three arguments happen at once - Giany insults communist - threads.
                        "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
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                        "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                        • #147
                          When the Soviets come back tomorrow
                          Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow
                          There'll be none.
                          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                          "Capitalism ho!"

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                          • #148
                            Fab: That is apolyton my friend. I am ready to break that right now.

                            To the communists: How about a handshake and I will retract the rude comments I have made against you?
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #149
                              How many of you are serious when you say you want the Soviet Union to return? This is sickening...

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                              • #150
                                Verto, what avatar?
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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