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Ok, thanks. Didn't get the point first. 
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But I have been... I haven't gone yelling at people like crazy like I used to, and I presented some points the opposition still has yet to rebut.Originally posted by Kamrat X
It´s not good enough Fez, you will have to change your debating style. Look at some of the other anti-communist posters here, like Imran. Civility is the keyword.
I don't know why you would like me anyways. Our political beliefs are starkly different and our economic beliefs are complete opposite.Now, I kinda like you Fez (God knows why...
) but your debating style gets tiresome when your back is against the wall...
My back is NOT against the wall, I am just defending my opinion.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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your school obviously hires people based on their social, rather than pedagogical skillsOriginally posted by Fez
If you really are defending the USSR I suggest you find this quote funny usually said by my economic teacher mocking Joseph Stalin:
He speaks English with an attempt of an Russian accent saying "Yes, we have 0% unemployment, those who don't work are sent to death."
Don't defend this hopeless system.
the real decline of soviet economy started under khruschev. former ussr states are still running on infrastructure created during stalin.Comment
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Look my teacher was just joking around... he always has a joke to say and criticizes everybody including himself jokingly. He is never meant to be offensive.Originally posted by LaRusso
your school obviously hires people based on their social, rather than pedagogical skills
the real decline of soviet economy started under khruschev. former ussr states are still running on infrastructure created during stalin.
Stalin did send 20 million people to rot in Gulags.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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interesting point. russia will always be worse than its western counterparts. we can disagree about tens of millions, but the perspective is there...they are just as bad by today's standards today as they were by past standards in 1930'sOriginally posted by Dan Severn
Russia is just as poor now as it has always been. By western standards, the government is still repressive. However, nowadays the government could never get away with killing tens of millions of its own citizens. It's a good thing the soviet empire is gone. It won't be back.
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LaRusso, at least they are having economic growth that can be sustained and is not superficial.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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You need one more zero there. I am sure it was closer to 200 millionOriginally posted by Fez
Stalin did send 20 million people to rot in Gulags.
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haha, the results of 'fake' growth during stalin can still be seen on dnieprostroi and moscow metro. putin does not have enough money today to repair that infrastructure, let alone build it anew. anyway, a good proportion of the growth was there because the oil prices shot up. we'll see....Originally posted by Fez
LaRusso, at least they are having economic growth that can be sustained and is not superficial.Comment
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Lets see here: Putin has been abled to transform his economy into one that works, and has been abled to make the government transparent. The first time that has ever happened in Russia. Also the proportion of growth was actually from economic diversification. And Russia has been named a free market economy by the US.Originally posted by LaRusso
haha, the results of 'fake' growth during stalin can still be seen on dnieprostroi and moscow metro. putin does not have enough money today to repair that infrastructure, let alone build it anew. anyway, a good proportion of the growth was there because the oil prices shot up. we'll see....For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Well, Stefu, I agree Hitler, like most politico's, was happy to ride any pony that happened to be headed his way.Originally posted by Stefu
Moomin, you may quote as much of Nazi platform as you want. It doesn't matter. When it came to getting votes, Hitler was the friend of the working man, a true Christian, not to forget a man of peace who just wants to unify the German people.
And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal? Tip: mentioning thing that come from the national side of the national socialist equation doesn't really cut it - they did this on top of, and in addition to, their socialist practices.When it came to real life, that wasn't true, of course. Hitler in public vs. Hitler in private were wholly different deals."The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
"I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.Comment
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JohnT looks eagerly to post to this thread, only to hesitate when he see's that Fez has posted his regular inanities. I mean, why bother?
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Thanks a lot for spitting in my face.Originally posted by JohnT
JohnT looks eagerly to post to this thread, only to hesitate when he see's that Fez has posted his regular inanities. I mean, why bother?
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Well, one could mention anti-union legislation and such, but what you're asking to do is proving a negative. I'll phrase it this way and throw it back at you: what particular practices of Nazi policy make you believe they were zealous socialists?And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal?"Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
"That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the worldComment
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What socialist practices? What, just because their organization called itself socialist, you believe it? Does that mean that you believe that Freedom Road Socialist Organization is really about freedom? Is Prairie Fire really about a Prairie Fire? Is Acorn really about an acorn? Does New Labor have anything to do with labor?Originally posted by moomin
And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal? Tip: mentioning thing that come from the national side of the national socialist equation doesn't really cut it - they did this on top of, and in addition to, their socialist practices.
The Nazis smashed the unions and replaced them with new Nazi unions, which gave the employers everything they asked for and reported to the government on any disgruntled workers. They handed over huge subsidies to major corporations, including slaves. They conquered huge swathes of terriroties and then handed the resources in those territories over to the corporations. Naziism is a capitalist's wet dream of profitablity.
Even a minor capitalist like Schindler could walk into Aushwitz and demand his workers be released (greased with a bribe). Had IG Farben or GE or Krupps demanded that their slaves be fed and clothed better, it would have happened.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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It´s a start I guess... But keep working on itOriginally posted by Fez
But I have been... I haven't gone yelling at people like crazy like I used to, and I presented some points the opposition still has yet to rebut.
So are Imrans and Wraiths and even Ozzy, I still think they´re nice guys... It´s not like I´m hitting on you or anything...I don't know why you would like me anyways. Our political beliefs are starkly different and our economic beliefs are complete opposite.
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