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  • Who You are to say that?
    Anyway, of course they can
    "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
    I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
    Middle East!

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    • Originally posted by Heresson
      Who You are to say that?
      Anyway, of course they can
      No they can't. It infringes on the law of supply and demand therefore is illogical. Therefore it causes severe lack of supply and could cause massive shortages.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • 11-8-18

        Send to Penza To Comrades Kuraev, Bosh, Minkin and other Penza communists

        Comrades! The revolt by the five kulak volost's must be suppressed without mercy. The interest of the entire revolution demands this, because we have now before us our final decisive battle "with the kulaks." We need to set an example.

        1. You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers.
        2. Publish their names.
        3. Take away all of their grain.
        4. Execute the hostages - in accordance with yesterday's telegram.

        This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let's choke and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.

        Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.

        Yours, Lenin

        P.S. Use your toughest people for this.
        Such a kind and generous person that Lenin was.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • oh , Fez, the Russian Middle class, estimated at 6 million from St.Petersburg , and Moscow. yes. It's BOOOMING.
          urgh.NSFW

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          • DinoDoc : what is your point?
            urgh.NSFW

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            • Originally posted by Dalgetti
              oh , Fez, the Russian Middle class, estimated at 6 million from St.Petersburg , and Moscow. yes. It's BOOOMING.
              Infact it is growing... but needs more work. Putin is trying hard to improve it... and GDP growth averaged about +5% - +7% for the last couple of years.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • wow. That's great. after the fall of around 40-60% from Soviet Era GDP , it gained a bit. and that's ignoring the fact that socialists are providing better education and medcare.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • Originally posted by Dalgetti
                  DinoDoc : what is your point?
                  Nothing in particular. I just love the idealized version of the USSR many people, including yourself, cling to so desperately. I especially like the statements that if Trotsky (a man who wrote a book justifing the use of State terror) had won the power struggle with Stalin everything would have been OK.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • Originally posted by Dalgetti
                    wow. That's great. after the fall of around 40-60% from Soviet Era GDP , it gained a bit. and that's ignoring the fact that socialists are providing better education and medcare.
                    No, the Soviet era GDP was technically illogical. It couldn't sustain itself either way and was shrinking in the 80s anyways.

                    The education system was never that great in the soviet union, it was always brainwashing people.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • Communism is the most logical and the most obvious thing on earth. The problem is that people grown up in capitalism
                      aren't able to get free from its influence and that's why I doubt that communism can be built in bigger community;
                      if You could gather all the true communists from all over the war and give them one city I'm sure it'd be flourishing.
                      But forcing communism in some state means that people not believing in this idea will have to (pretend) to work according to it, and anyway will their children be communists too? And is there someone who can be called true communist?
                      that's what brainwas... I mean education is for.

                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • I want to say this one last thing before I go off to dinner:

                        THE USSR IS DEAD! LIVE WITH IT! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! OKAY? IT WAS ILLOGICAL. AND YOU SUPPORTING IT, DALGETTI AND OTHERS, ARE SUPPORTING A DEAD SYSTEM.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • Gad, the eternal debate. Were Nazis capitalists or socialists? It almost reminds you of one of those typical days when school had sport classes. Your team picks the Nazis! No, your team picks them! No, your team! Your team! YOUR TEAM! YOUR TEAM!

                          Moomin, you may quote as much of Nazi platform as you want. It doesn't matter. When it came to getting votes, Hitler was the friend of the working man, a true Christian, not to forget a man of peace who just wants to unify the German people. When it came to real life, that wasn't true, of course. Hitler in public vs. Hitler in private were wholly different deals.

                          Non-Moomins, it might come as a bit of a shock, but being supported by Big Biz doesn't necessarily mean you are a capitalist. (Whoa!) Big biz, after all, uses the democracy in it's rather uncapitalistic pursuit to gather as much grummint money as possible, not to forget all manner of nifty tariffs to prevent foreign competition from threatening their markets. And Nazis offered extra perks - slave labour, stability, not to forget not being Communists. Businesses were then kept on a tight state leash, of course.

                          Were Nazis capitalists? Or socialists? Neither, says me. I distinctly remember seeing Hitler quote stating that if socialism worked, Nazis would use that, and if capitalism worked, Nazis would use that. "Use" is a correct word - Nazis weren't certainly concerned about freedom of the market, and true concern for working man died with Strasser and his ilk. What drove Nazis were their repugnant racial theories and relentless expansionism - economic policies were useful as far as they served this doctrine, ie. keeping people well-to-do enough not to make any troubling questions and making it possible to have a decent war footing and keep the munitions coming.
                          Last edited by Stefu; July 29, 2002, 11:16.
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                          • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            Nothing in particular. I just love the idealized version of the USSR many people, including yourself, cling to so desperately. I especially like the statements that if Trotsky (a man who wrote a book justifing the use of State terror) had won the power struggle with Stalin everything would have been OK.

                            And of course you would know Moneypenny andothers who have actually lived there would not. That's so... logical

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                            • Dinodoc : so , to disprove it you post an alledged letter from the russian civil war? I am posting about post war SU , mostly.
                              urgh.NSFW

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                              • Stefu
                                urgh.NSFW

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