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The Hansa and Sweden? Germany and the Hanseatic league is perhaps a bit more relevant. But yes, Sweden had it's part in it.
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Or you could say Gotland, Götaland and Sveland had part in it. Not that claiming Germany is more relevant than Sweden anyway, given the time-frame.Originally posted by Rasbelin
The Hansa and Sweden? Germany and the Hanseatic league is perhaps a bit more relevant. But yes, Sweden had it's part in it.
If you gonna count present countries, you can fit Finland in as well, you know."The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
"I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.Comment
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"He was talking about Lenin."
In point 1 and two I was talking about Lenin too if You haven't noticed
Point three isn't. Why? My claim is that Russia would have been stronger if not the revolution, and it's not thanks to Lenin himself, but Stalin. That's obvious, isn't it?
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BTW, this is directed to Soviet Beast... being against Putin is basically being an idiot. Russia wouldn't be having capitalist prosperity if it weren't for him!For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Russians were better off under Soviet government. For the time being at least.Comment
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Yes for a very short while. The economic growth in the soviet union was mostly superficial at best.Originally posted by paiktis22
Russians were better off under Soviet government. For the time being at least.
But if Russia takes about ten more years of Putinism then they will surpass the standard of living ever promised by the Soviet government. Why they aren't better off now is because of a klepocrat called Yelstin who sat drinking Vodka all day while watching his country fall apart.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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moomin,
yes, you're right, but let's not confuse the others."Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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The economic growth in the soviet union was mostly superficial at best
Not true. There were significant boom periods, and Russia proper in 1991 was much better off than Russia proper in 1917, wrt the West...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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I strongly disagree. The economic growth was bureaucratic at the best and was centered on the bureaucracy. The Russia today, 2002, is better off then the Soviet Union ever was.Originally posted by Frogger
The economic growth in the soviet union was mostly superficial at best
Not true. There were significant boom periods, and Russia proper in 1991 was much better off than Russia proper in 1917, wrt the West...For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Oh, and the GDP of Russia in 1925 had reattained the level it was at in 1913 (In 1917 it was significantly lower than in 1913) despite the fact that for most of this period the Red government had to fight a bloody civil war against the Whites...12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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I suggest you read a proper history of the USSR.Originally posted by Fez
I strongly disagree. The economic growth was bureaucratic at the best and was centered on the bureaucracy. The Russia today, 2002, is better off then the Soviet Union ever was.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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You have to look at the value of money through the years... so your argument doesn't make sense. In numerical terms Russia in 1925 may have reached what it was in 1913, but money value wasn't the same.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Originally posted by Frogger
I suggest you read a proper history of the USSR.
I suggest you do. Do you really want a disfunctional economy of that of the USSR to really come back?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Souce is "An Economic History of the USSR".Originally posted by Frogger
Oh, and the GDP of Russia in 1925 had reattained the level it was at in 1913 (In 1917 it was significantly lower than in 1913) despite the fact that for most of this period the Red government had to fight a bloody civil war against the Whites...
You have to look at the value of money through the years... so your argument doesn't make sense. In numerical terms Russia in 1925 may have reached what it was in 1913, but money value wasn't the same
That's funny, because in absolute economic terms (bushels of wheat, tons of steel etc.) Russia in 1925 was also outproducing Russia of 1913. Have you ever thought that someone might think to account for inflation?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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I already have, and am using a scholarly source to back my assertions. (Written by a Soviet expat living in London at the height of the Cold War).Originally posted by Fez
I suggest you do.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
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