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  • #76
    Originally posted by paiktis22
    The Cold War was not all mirror and smoke.
    The cold war wasn't, but the USSR was. Its economic system was a joke.

    Moomin, the US overthrew its share of democracies and caused millions of deaths too. So?
    The Sandinistas weren't democratic. Name other democratic countries it overthrew? Chile was for the better... Allende was a butt faced monkey who didn't know what he was doing. Pinochet was a dangerous man but at least made an economy

    Also, exploitation was and is alive and well today byt the west itself.
    AHAHHAHAHA... leftist talk! Just a bunch of hot air!
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #77
      moomin: I am sure you have much more experience of the Soviet Union than I do. I have some childhood experiences , and never claimed to have more myself. I have also the accounts of my father, mother , and grandmother, multiple relatives, and friends .

      Almost certainly. Russia would be better now if it had undergone a union with the US too
      I am not absolutely sure. I'd rather have Ecthelion answer that.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Frogger
        If the Nazis were Socialists
        What part of National Socialist do you find hard to parse?

        then why did most of their big capitalists come out of the war with their fortunes intact?
        For the same reason people with money and influence manage to hang on in every system, I guess. Hint: the 60 million Soviet victims weren't exactly all rich bourgeoise pigs either.
        "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
        "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by moominparatrooper


          What part of National Socialist do you find hard to parse?
          A little birdie tells me that North Korea calls itself a democratic people's republic, but this may not be so.
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #80
            Frogger, give it a rest. Communism doesn't win against capitalism or any forms of mixed capitalism.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Heresson
              1)I have seen Him! I have seen Him!
              2)I believe He's still there, but I may be wrong.
              3)I disagree with You. Stalin was completely incompetent when it comes to the army stuff, and he murdered the most valuable part of the army. If not so-called Soviet communism Germany would be defeated in much shorter time.
              1) I´ve seen him on a postcard

              2) I think he´s buried in the Kremlin wall or something. IIRC it was a burial ceremony for him in 1992(?)

              3) I agree totally.

              A question is if the war started if not Stalin and his alliance with Hitler in 1939.
              IMO WWII wouldn´t have happened if Trotsky had won the power struggle. Why?

              The German communist party wouldn´t have wasted it´s time battling the social-democrats and letting Hitler sneak up to power.

              Soviet under Trotsky would NEVER have allowed the KPD voting for Hitler as chancellor.

              In short, the USSR under Trotsky would never have allowed the nazis to come to power. No nazis = no WWII.

              But then again, maybe we would´ve ve had a war where the allies had supported Nazi-Germany against the Soviet Union. The nazis were capitalists after all. And with the Soviets out of the way the nazis could continue their expansion and the allied support would eventually come back to bite them in the ass. (Compare this to other dictators willingly supported by the US)
              I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Frogger
                A little birdie tells me that North Korea calls itself a democratic people's republic, but this may not be so.
                And this same little birdie told you you could disregard the NSDAP program just because it hurts so bad to acknowledge Hitler & his minions where Socialists?
                "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
                "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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                • #83
                  If Trotsky won the power struggle we would all be living in a worker's paradise right now.
                  http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                  • #84
                    Please provide evidence of them being socialists, moomin. Their membership included every big capitalist in the country, they were allied to the right wing of the German political spectrum, they hated unions and communists, they did business with all the large corporations and nationalised only minimally...
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Kamrat X
                      The nazis were capitalists after all.
                      No they werent. They were more like socialists who wanted heavy government interference with the economy.

                      (Compare this to other dictators willingly supported by the US)
                      Like who? Can I name any that the US supported that executed twenty million of their own people?

                      If Trotsky won the power struggle we would all be living in a worker's paradise right now.
                      You mean slave like conditions.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #86
                        Frogger, the nazis were not capitalists. And furthermore executing the jewish people proves that, because jews were capitalist bankers and business people.

                        Frogger, no need to spew out more lies.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #87
                          Russia isn't prosperous... It can be in the future thanks to mr Putin but it isn't...
                          Lets put it this way; in USSR everyone were poor, but everyone -despite all the political opppresion- could be sure they'll survive. Under democracy, some people got very very very rich and they held the rating on average level, but generally most of people got even poorer, to a status that can't be worse, and no Putin will ever change it. For Russian oligarchs and perhaps middle class someday, democratic
                          changes were a good thing, but I doubt that for most of Russians..
                          "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                          I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                          Middle East!

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                          • #88
                            And furthermore executing the jewish people proves that, because jews were capitalist bankers and business people


                            I suggest you reread their propaganda. In their minds Jews were both bankers (they hated "speculative" capitalism, but embraced "investor" capitalism) and also the spearhead of the Communist revolution. Nobody ever accused them of being logical...
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #89
                              and no Putin will ever change it.
                              And that is where you are wrong... the Russian middle class is booming under Putin...
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #90
                                Frogger, the nazis were not capitalists. And furthermore executing the jewish people proves that, because jews were capitalist bankers and business people
                                not quite. The Nazis allowed the German capitalists to take over the jewish capitalists' factories. also , not all jews were rich.
                                urgh.NSFW

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