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  • #91
    Originally posted by Frogger
    I suggest you reread their propaganda. In their minds Jews were both bankers (they hated "speculative" capitalism, but embraced "investor" capitalism) and also the spearhead of the Communist revolution. Nobody ever accused them of being logical...
    You should read your economics books instead of saying stupid things! Capitalism is capitalism.

    Why do you defend communism?
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Dalgetti

      not quite. The Nazis allowed the German capitalists to take over the jewish capitalists' factories. also , not all jews were rich.
      The Nazi government controlled what these German "capitalists" did. That isn't capitalism.

      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #93
        "And that is where you are wrong... the Russian middle class is booming under Putin..."

        what middle class?
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Heresson
          Russia isn't prosperous... It can be in the future thanks to mr Putin but it isn't...
          Lets put it this way; in USSR everyone were poor, but everyone -despite all the political opppresion- could be sure they'll survive. Under democracy, some people got very very very rich and they held the rating on average level, but generally most of people got even poorer, to a status that can't be worse, and no Putin will ever change it. For Russian oligarchs and perhaps middle class someday, democratic
          changes were a good thing, but I doubt that for most of Russians..
          Precisely.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Frogger
            Please provide evidence of them being socialists, moomin.
            I'm glad you asked. Here are some juicy socialist paragraphs straight from the program the National Socialist Worker's Party of Germany:

            "We demand therefore:

            11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
            The breaking of the slavery of interest.

            12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

            13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

            14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

            15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

            16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

            17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

            18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

            19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

            20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State."

            Seems pretty darn socialist to me. If you exchanged Germany and German to Soviet and Russian where appropriate, all this could have been written by Lenin, Trotsky or any other Soviet socialist. Heck, most of this, except perhaps for the outright nationalisation and expropration demands could be from any present-day European Social Democrat manifesto.
            "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
            "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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            • #96
              Fez- You're too vulnerable to any propaganda it seems.
              Anyway read what I write. I wrote that democratic changes
              may be good for the oligarchs and someday for the middle class, but not for the majority of Russians...

              (should I repeat it one more time?)
              "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
              I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
              Middle East!

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Dalgetti
                "And that is where you are wrong... the Russian middle class is booming under Putin..."

                what middle class?
                The middle class, commie.

                Heresson, democracy is much better for Russia than illogical communism.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #98
                  Instead of suggesting people to read economics books every other post, I suggest you reread your 8th grade history text if you still think the nazis were Communist Fezzie ol' boy.
                  http://monkspider.blogspot.com/

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                  • #99
                    paiktis, please answer my question, it's important

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                    • #100
                      Respond in a few hours, moomin. Somthing in the real world's come up...
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by monkspider
                        Instead of suggesting people to read economics books every other post, I suggest you reread your 8th grade history text if you still think the nazis were Communist Fezzie ol' boy.
                        Attacked yet again by a commie who wants to violate every single law of economics. The nazis were not capitalist.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #102
                          The Nazi government controlled what these German "capitalists" did. That isn't capitalism
                          once again, not quite. I am not saying that there was a system of a free market, but the system was in no way socialist, classes differences weren't being erased, and the factory-owners still got rich.
                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • #103
                            Communism is the most logical and the most obvious thing on earth. The problem is that people grown up in capitalism
                            aren't able to get free from its influence and that's why I doubt that communism can be built in bigger community;
                            if You could gather all the true communists from all over the war and give them one city I'm sure it'd be flourishing.
                            But forcing communism in some state means that people not believing in this idea will have to (pretend) to work according to it, and anyway will their children be communists too? And is there someone who can be called true communist?
                            "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                            I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                            Middle East!

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Dalgetti

                              once again, not quite. I am not saying that there was a system of a free market, but the system was in no way socialist, classes differences weren't being erased, and the factory-owners still got rich.
                              Well fine.

                              But I am free market take it or leave it. Neo-classicist.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #105
                                Heresson, for the last ****ing time: Communism is illogical because it violates the laws of economics. From the law of elasticity to the law of supply and demand. Bureaucrats cannot set prices.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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