Why is homosexuality "wrong"

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
I don't think they are going to hell anymore than anyone else that doesn't believe in Jesus is.

Hence my strategic use of the word 'clandestine'. I think your reply has validated my use of the world. Christians like you are pious and arrogant, and think that you are the 'chosen ones'. What a shock you are going to be in for.

And if they are a Christian, but struggle with their homosexuality, I think they will still go to heaven.

Jesus died for their sins too.

Explain to me why homosexuality is such a sin? Sound, logical reasoning...

[Dimorier Maximus]

Like a pack of wild dogs on a rabbit. You want me to run, but I can't because there is a dog on each side of me. I don't have time to respond to every well thought out post.

[Asher]

/me wonders what it's like to piss your life away repressing who you are so you can appease someone you don't even know exists for sure, but rely on blind faith...

I pity you, Dimorier.

[Boris Godunov]

Don't blame us if your mental capacity is inadequate for reasoned debate.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
Like a pack of wild dogs on a rabbit. You want me to run, but I can't because there is a dog on each side of me. I don't have time to respond to every well thought out post.

A dog stands no chance against the assault rifle I carry... so don't expect me to accept this baseless crap.

[Dimorier Maximus]

I could explain to you why homosexuality is wrong, but you would not understand. So I will not waste my time explaining it. In fact, if I did explain it, you would laugh at my explanation. It is far too deep, and you have to believe in certain things that y'all obviously don't believe in to see that it is wrong.

As for being the 'chosen ones' and me being in for a shock, how the heck would you know Prov? Every knee shall bow. Some willingly and happily, some will be saying, "Oh $&#@, Jesus is Lord."

To be frank with you, I don't care what you think. You are all as thick skulled as any brainwashed, new age Westerners. You don't give a @%#$ about God and it will come back to bite you in the @$$.

I'm done here. I told you enough, and I can see that no one here is willing to believe so any more time I spend here would be wasted on deaf ears. I dust my feet off as I leave this place.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
A dog stands no chance against the assault rifle I carry...

Is that a euphemism?

[Boris Godunov]

That confirms it...he is Cloud9's DL.

[Asher]

You are all as thick skulled as any brainwashed

You're starting to remind me of someone in the Heaven's Gate cult who shrieked at relatives who told them it was ridiculous that a UFO was coming to pick them up. Of course, it was everyone else in the world who was thickheaded and irrational, but she was the only one thinking clearly -- and she drank the koolaid and went up into the UFO that night.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Christians like you are pious and arrogant, and think that you are the 'chosen ones'. What a shock you are going to be in for.

You cant be shocked if youre dead can you...?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
I could explain to you why homosexuality is wrong, but you would not understand. So I will not waste my time explaining it. In fact, if I did explain it, you would laugh at my explanation. It is far too deep, and you have to believe in certain things that y'all obviously don't believe in to see that it is wrong.

Homosexuality is not wrong because you argue on a baseless case.

[quote]
As for being the 'chosen ones' and me being in for a shock, how the heck would you know Prov? Every knee shall bow. Some willingly and happily, some will be saying, "Oh $&#@, Jesus is Lord."[/quote

What? I lost you there.

To be frank with you, I don't care what you think. You are all as thick skulled as any brainwashed, new age Westerners. You don't give a @%#$ about God and it will come back to bite you in the @$$.

No it won't because god doesn't exist. And I will say this: If you want to challange my opinion do it with a case that actually holds merit not one predating the middle ages.

I'm done here. I told you enough, and I can see that no one here is willing to believe so any more time I spend here would be wasted on deaf ears. I dust my feet off as I leave this place.

Deaf ears is a characteristic of yourself, not us.

[moomin]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
But can you seriously say that inappropriate gay PDAs outnumber straight ones? Not even close.

If by PDAs you refer to Public Displays of Affection, then I agree it's not even close. Given that the hetero population vastly outnumbers the homo one, it's be downright strange it wasn't so.

But PDAs are not what we - or, at least, what I - discuss here. I couldn't care less about a couple holding hands, pecking each other on the cheek or hugging. Regardless of what couple it is. What I object to are PDIs (indecency, if you please): serious petting, nudity, gross sexual innuendo and french kissin' - again regardless of what kind of couple we're talking about. And homos win that contest hands down, almost entirely due to the the parades.

What do you mean "officially?" I don't recall there being an official doctrine of homosexuality that I had to ascribe to...

I mean public events staged by acknowledged representatives of a group with massive participation of said group and without serious dissent within said group. Gay parades fit this bill - whereas the KKK, for instance, does not even come close to represent all whites as a group in this respect. The rather inept exemples you brought up (Jerry et al) fail to impress for the same reason.

Homo paraders don't "throw them out" because it would be utter hypocrisy to tell a group they can't participate based upon whatever their particular style was.

Then you'll just have to make peace with the thought that people will inevitably draw conclusions about all of those participating in these events from what they see. And given how the high extent these parades represent the gay movement at large, these infavourable impressions will certianly taint the image of all gays.

But to organize a parade whose origins comes from promoting tolerance and acceptance of something seen by society as abnormal and then say to a group within the parade "you either act normal or get lost" is ludicrous, anyway.

Oh, come on. You're already drawing the line somewhere. I bet you don't think a "catholic gay priests who like to fondle little boys" float would make it, no matter how much tolerance you're out to display and no matter how much society regards that as abnormal. And this even if they made nothing more shocking than holding up banners proclaming thier believes.

There is a certain point where we can make logical assumptions based on continuing behavior. Given your attitudes on this subject, any other assumption would be illogical.

Quite. Now apply your own reasoning above to my argumentation in this thread and see where it leads you.

Nope. You yourself it's not a problem to judge someone based on the acts of a minority of their groups. Since you have given a rationale justifying stereotypes (which astounds me), then obviously stereotypes of whatever nature are just fine.

I've already given you a fair rationale of when I think it's not only possible but reasonable to apply stereotypes above. My conditions were a heck more stringent than this floppy ***-fot-tat attempt.

You seem to want gays to actively refute any connection to their "extreme" elements in order to avoid your stereotyping them.

Actually, much as I'm sure this astounds you, I expect everyone to actively denonunce the cranks and extremists in their ranks, not only gays.

I'm saying nobody should have to do that.

That's your opinion. Out in the big world where you can't attempt to cover up your shortcomings by throwing PC accusations of ignorance and bigotry around, it's a long-established tenet that all communication is happens by the terms set up by the recipient or not at all. However unfair this seems to gay activists and direct marketeers, if you have a message beyond "nya-nya, I can show my pope and you can do nothing about it!" you'll have to dress your message up to suit the audience.

Well, good for you. But that is an obvious point wherein the point of view of those groups was, in your opinion, harmful to others. How can you possibly equate that to some guy walking down 5th avenue in buttless leather chaps?

I'm certainly not equating these. The guy walking down 5th Ave. is displaying tastlessness and a monomanical disregard for others, and those marching with him display a severe lack of tact and so much as a shred of clue to what serves their interest, but on the large scale of things it really doesn't matter. But it's quite as damning, in an area of interest much less pressing and serious than the political one, as far as making an unfavourable impression on in the mind of the onlookers as a Social Democrat first may parade with the hammer and the sicle would be.

So, Boris, you want to shake me up, make me re-evaluate my bigoted ways and make me take gay issues more seriously? Here's a tip: next time you join a parade, make sure it's a parade where you all wear three-piece suits, eat ice-cream, play cool music and have a good time without looking like a bunch of inmates escaped from a 1920s freak show. Honest to god, I'd be more astounded than any amount of butt flaps would ever accomplish.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
I could explain to you why homosexuality is wrong, but you would not understand. So I will not waste my time explaining it. In fact, if I did explain it, you would laugh at my explanation. It is far too deep, and you have to believe in certain things that y'all obviously don't believe in to see that it is wrong.

Not good enough. You haven't provided me with a good reason.

As for being the 'chosen ones' and me being in for a shock, how the heck would you know Prov? Every knee shall bow. Some willingly and happily, some will be saying, "Oh $&#@, Jesus is Lord."

To be frank with you, I don't care what you think. You are all as thick skulled as any brainwashed, new age Westerners. You don't give a @%#$ about God and it will come back to bite you in the @$$.

Ah yes, thickheaded, despite the fact that on these issues, especially those such as evolution vs. creation I am extremely well versed. But because I do not agree with you, it is me who is 'thick headed'...we don't win brownie points by trying to bawl out the opposition

I'm done here. I told you enough, and I can see that no one here is willing to believe so any more time I spend here would be wasted on deaf ears. I dust my feet off as I leave this place.

Belief, faith, what you rely on for your world model simply not sufficient an explanation. To quote Nietzsche: 'A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything'.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper


I'm certainly not equating these. The guy walking down 5th Ave. is displaying tastlessness and a monomanical disregard for others, and those marching with him display a severe lack of tact and so much as a shred of clue to what serves their interest, but on the large scale of things it really doesn't matter. But it's quite as damning, in an area of interest much less pressing and serious than the political one, as far as making an unfavourable impression on in the mind of the onlookers as a Social Democrat first may parade with the hammer and the sicle would be.

So, Boris, you want to shake me up, make me re-evaluate my bigoted ways and make me take gay issues more seriously? Here's a tip: next time you join a parade, make sure it's a parade where you all wear three-piece suits, eat ice-cream, play cool music and have a good time without looking like a bunch of inmates escaped from a 1920s freak show. Honest to god, I'd be more astounded than any amount of butt flaps would ever accomplish.

ROFL!

[Rogan Josh]

It doesn't matter what his reasons for thinking homosexuality is wrong are! It is his right to hold any opinion he wants.

Some of you guys are just as bigotted in your anti-Christian beliefs as he is in his view of homosexuality.