Why is homosexuality "wrong"

[Vesayen]

For serious and mature people only.....please dont let this degrade into a flamefest.

I'll preface this by saying that I am a religious heterosexual male Jew, who does not believe in homosexuality, but will not hate others because of it.

I was reading another board and saw some person(who I ironically know is from the Amercian south(bible belt)......coincodence im sure) and he said "homosexuality is wrong".

I can quote scripture as good as any bible thumping christian(proboally better actually, because I speak fluent hebrew and can translate the Torah, which I am very familiar with) and the quote for which the prohabition on homosexuality for Judaism Christianiy and Islam is the following(directly translated):

"...And man shall not lie down with man, it is abomination...."

Its in a part of the torah which lists all the inapropriate sexual relations and their punishment(homosexualities is "skema" or in english stoning).

Im not going to judge homosexuals, as I KNOW the Torah has the hand of man written in it, as well as the hand of God(no I dont believe the creation story...I believe in theistic creation) but I will of course never do it.

We are almost certain homosexuality is genetic, if homosexuality is genetic and it is something a person is through no fault or action of their own, how can someone say it is "wrong" and that homosexuals are wrong?

Secularly(non religiously) isnt "wrong" whatever harms another person, or society at large, how does this harm society?

Religiosly-how can you hate someone for how "God" made them?

Please dont let this degrade into a flame war, but if anyone here from a religious stand point thinks homosexuality is wrong, can you explain to me why it is**?





**other then saying the bible says so.....Judaism(where the law originally comes from) has a different ideology from Christainity and Islam-your supposed to question every law with an eye towards scepticism so you better understand them, please explain to me WHY it is wrong, or what the justification behind the rule is.

[Asher]

who does not believe in homosexuality

So you don't believe it exists, or you don't believe others should do it, or you don't want to do it yourself?

If it's one of the first two there's no point in me even trying to talk to you.

[Dan Severn]

It's gross.

Other than that, there is no non-religious reason.

Matter of faith for many.

Personally, so long as I'm allowed to be heterosexual I don't care what they do.

[Giancarlo]

Homosexuality is illegal in Argentina......

If you pick up the intended meaning of my posts, hatred in the United States is nothing compared to what it is like here.

I said that only several dozen times.

[Lorizael]

Yes... what exactly do you mean by, "I don't believe in homosexuality."

Everything else you say in the post seems to contradict that statement.

[faded glory]

It is gross and perverted. Its pointless and backwards.

As far as Im concerned. I would try to discourage it and not encourage it.

But far be it from me to dictate my heterosexuality on others. Gotta take a "each to his own" and "Mind my own business" attitude. We also shouldnt bleedin scapegoat. If we want to live in a Democracy, we kinda have to be tolerant of them. I mean. Other than Europe and N. America. Homosexuality is pretty scorned and outlawed everywhere else. And they aint much better off for it.

So ya. Personally I dislike it. As long as they dont force these things down my throat on TV, politics, etc......(which thankfully they dont). But I could say the opposite is true with heterosexuals. we kind of force our crap on the other side. Im sure the gay dudes here dont care for the heterosexual nightly/daily 24:7 TV. (perhaps not. But they've never said anything)



""...And man shall not lie down with man, it is abomination...."

If your a christian you shouldnt worry about the old testament. Dont let the fire and brimstone talk get to you. Jesus died for murders, sinners, perverts, crooks, etc..etc...he made that clear. There was absolutely NO distinction.

[RGBVideo]

It is gross and perverted.

Why normal sex isn't, then?

[Asher]

Normal sex is gross and perverted as well, it's just that people are used to it. Heterosexual sex is a part of everyone's life through the media, and even most gay men have had heterosexual sex at least once (gotta see what they're missing ).

People just aren't used to homosexual sex, so it becomes gross and perverted. Heterosexual sex is the same thing, just people tend to grow immune to that as their hormones tell them to go at it.

[Lorizael]

How is it pointless and backwards, fg?

[DinoDoc]

Sodomy is icky.

There isn't really a religious reason.

[Asher]

So is cunnilingus and vaginal sex.

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by Lorizael
How is it pointless and backwards, fg?

I think he means it doesn't cause babies.

Of course, most people try to avoid babies in heterosexual situations...


Anyway, it's really no business of those not involved.

[blackice]

I agree with faded on this one. I think he means? If we all prefered the same sex as our own humanity would cease to exsist in it's present state.

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by blackice
I agree with faded on this one. I think he means? If we all prefered the same sex as our own humanity would cease to exsist in it's present state.

As much as you have been whining about the world, one would think that would be an outcome you would strive for.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by blackice
I agree with faded on this one. I think he means? If we all prefered the same sex as our own humanity would cease to exsist in it's present state.

But since that isn't a valid concern, it's rather pointless as an argument against homosexuality.

There isn't anything perverted about two men or women loving each other. It isn't the norm, but that doesn't make it sick, either.

Whereas homophobia, gay bashing and hate are clearly harmful to people and society, and homosexuality itself isn't, then obviously folks who yell the most about protecting society would be the most in favor of tolerance and acceptance of gays. Right? Right.