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noOriginally posted by Asher
Jon is arguing that the world is underpopulated, and thus it is a problem that the vast majority of homosexuals do not reproduce.
I am just arguing that the world is underpopulated
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Umm.... homosexuals (gays/lesbians/etc) don't even make up 3% in some countries so I don't see how that is a problem.Originally posted by Asher
Jon is arguing that the world is underpopulated, and thus it is a problem that the vast majority of homosexuals do not reproduce.
I am also predicting a nationalist upswing in southern conservative Europe (Spain and Italy) where the population growth will increase... but now I am trailing off topic.
And if you think the world is underpopulated you ought to get your head examined.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I'm trying to figure out if you're really this much of a moron, or if you're trolling.Originally posted by Jon Miller
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I am just arguing that the world is underpopulated
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Jon Miller
The world is definitely not underpopulated. To do that, you must argue not that we can sustain more people but that we have not enough people.
And capitalism is not the cause of pollution, Jon. What the hell are you smoking? Pollution is caused by the modern world. Without capitalism, people will still demand cars. Without capitalism, people will still demand electricity. Without capitalism, people will still pollute!
Look at China..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Umm, Asher China is more or less capitalist.
But pollution was even more severe in the USSR, so that disproves jon saying capitalism is the cause of pollution when it is not. Just people demanding items is...For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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More or less capitalist? What portion of all of the "companies" are state companies?Originally posted by Fez
Umm, Asher China is more or less capitalist.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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but pollution would be more managable because it would not always be
a few dollars versus hoorible pollution (you know which the corporations will pick)
China is the same problem as USSR and other like countries, the beuracracy is in control and they are not green
there equation is different then money versus pollution, but it is still wrong
I was just refering to the worst polluters, the firstworld corporations
I argue that we are underpopulated becuase not only could we sustain more population
but it would be advantageous for us to have more population
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Umm I later edited my post in your favor... China has been liberalized and many former state owned companies are privately owned now. But the PRC will only last ten more years anyways...Originally posted by Asher
More or less capitalist? What portion of all of the "companies" are state companies?
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Likewise, it would be advantageous for everyone to be 15 feet tall, and thus we must begin genetically altering babies.Originally posted by Jon Miller
but pollution would be more managable because it would not always be
a few dollars versus hoorible pollution (you know which the corporations will pick)
China is the same problem as USSR and other like countries, the beuracracy is in control and they are not green
there equation is different then money versus pollution, but it is still wrong
I was just refering to the worst polluters, the firstworld corporations
I argue that we are underpopulated becuase not only could we sustain more population
but it would be advantageous for us to have more population
Jon Miller
You're throwing out ideas that are ridiculous ("capitalism causes pollution"), then when confronted with a counterexample of non-capitalist states with huge pollution problems it suddenly becomes their specific problems, and has nothing to do with your capitalism assertion.
Then you state "we are underpopulated because it's better if we have more people", more or less. Why, Jon? What can't we do now that we can with more people?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Back in the "good old days" things were more polluted than they are today.Originally posted by Asher
Pollution is caused by the modern world...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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By modern world I mean 1700s+.Originally posted by Caligastia
Back in the "good old days" things were more polluted than they are today.
I don't think the world was more polluted in the year 200 than it is in the year 2000.
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Oh, ok, I was referring to the late 1800s...Originally posted by Asher
By modern world I mean 1700s+.
I don't think the world was more polluted in the year 200 than it is in the year 2000.
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Yeah, and we all know that the USSR had NO pollution whatsoever!Originally posted by Jon Miller
pollution is also a problem of social systems (namely capitalism)
As far as homosexuality is concerned, it is wrong. It is a choice too. Just like murder is a choice. Just like stealing is a choice. You choose to have homosexual sex, heterosexual sex, or no sex at all. It doesn't just happen. You aren't just born thinking about how you want to have sex with someone of the same sex as yourself; it develops in your mind over time. Certain people influence it in your life. If you can blame homosexuality on genetics, then the same can be said for murderers. He was born a murderer, so should we punish him? What a dumb question. Of course we should punish him. But because homosexuality doesn't hurt people, I don't think people should be punished for it like murder. Instead, if they are caught doing something homosexual, they should get counseling. That would be their "punishment".Ex Fide Vive
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Good luck convincing gays to "act straight" through counselling.
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We're talking about homosexuality and heterosexuality, not necessarily having sex.You choose to have homosexual sex, heterosexual sex, or no sex at all.
Knowing this, do you freely admit it's a choice which gender you are attracted to? Can you choose to be attracted to a man?
So you speak from experience?You aren't just born thinking about how you want to have sex with someone of the same sex as yourself; it develops in your mind over time.
You're right, that IS a dumb question. Of course you should punish him, regardless if it's genetic, he KILLED SOMEONE. How is that anywhere remotely comparable to homosexuality? And I hardly think the vast majority of murder cases can be linked to genetics, and if they did it still wouldn't matter.If you can blame homosexuality on genetics, then the same can be said for murderers. He was born a murderer, so should we punish him? What a dumb question.
Why do you care so much about what they do? Does it tempt you and you want the temptation to go away, or do you feel you are doing God's work?But because homosexuality doesn't hurt people, I don't think people should be punished for it like murder. Instead, if they are caught doing something homosexual, they should get counseling. That would be their "punishment"."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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