Why is homosexuality "wrong"

[Plan Austral]

Originally posted by Fez
My opinion is unclear, I wouldn't want to see gay sex out on the street but what people do with their lives is their own business. The evolutionary process, does infact, most likely intended for a man and woman to have sex because of reproduction however homosexuals are a part of society and are generally accepted in the developed world (with the exception of Chile, Singapore and other conservative countries). I also generally think it has to do with the environment the person is subjected to and not anything genetic.



You just explained Argentina. This country as far as I am concerned will never be accepting toward homosexuals and police brutality is a well known fact here. It has been for years and years.

Homosexuality is not illegal here, and gays are not harried by the police.

Who told you this??

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper
Like three more in Louisiana? Any hamlet above the ten thousand inhabitants in the westen world has it's own gay parade these days.

I can't really believe you're serious arguing over this point.

You are a terrible fool, you know. Gay pride parades are only know in large cities, such as Chicago, NYC, SF, Milwaukee, etc.

There are Marti Gras parades in Mobile, Alabama, Carnival in Rio, and similar such festivals worldwide! The Hindu countries have heterosexual festivals, as do most pagan societies. Europe has many such festivals.

[MrFun]

In the future, we will have proven how sexual orientation develops.

I say that no matter how sexual orientation develops, homosexuality and homosexual sex is not wrong, nor is it unnatural.




The United States still has what I call Pink Crow laws, such as sodomy laws that in theory, apply to all sexual orientations, but in pratice, is meant to discriminate against homosexuals.

And another Pink Crow law that in a number of states, bans legal recognition of civil unions of homosexual couples.

And there are other Pink Crow laws as well -- like denying employed homosexual couples the same benefits that employed heterosexual couples enjoy.

And then of course, there's the unofficial, social custom of a Pink Crow law that makes behavior that is appropriate for heterosexual couples to act out in public, not appropriate for homosexual couples.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
If you can blame homosexuality on genetics, then the same can be said for murderers.

Of the many things that didn't make sense in your post, this is the most baffling. It displays a complete lack of logical thinking. Just because someone's sexual orientation is genetically determined in no way insinuates that any other behavior is necessarily genetically determined. A homosexual is a homosexual, regardless of whether or not he sleeps with someone of the same gender or not. It's about sexual attraction. Nobody is a murderer until they commit murder (unless you're in silly world like Minority Report).

As for your "counseling," would that be like the counseling provided to homosexuals during the 19th century, perhaps? It usually involved electrodes applied to genitals...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Kublai-Khan





Homosexuality is not illegal here, and gays are not harried by the police.

Who told you this??

I will post a news story soon on this. I lost the link to the article but I posted it some time ago.

[Boris Godunov]

MrFun... I think we can devise a better name than "Pink Crow." Please.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by MrFun
The United States still has what I call Pink Crow laws, such as sodomy laws that in theory, apply to all sexual orientations, but in pratice, is meant to discriminate against homosexuals.

And another Pink Crow law that in a number of states, bans legal recognition of civil unions of homosexual couples.

And there are other Pink Crow laws as well -- like denying employed homosexual couples the same benefits that employed heterosexual couples enjoy.

And then of course, there's the unofficial, social custom of a Pink Crow law that makes behavior that is appropriate for heterosexual couples to act out in public, not appropriate for homosexual couples.

Nobody cares about the "pink crow" laws because they are not enforced, and are a joke. Why dont you complain about something that actually affects someone?

To compare them to Jim Crow laws is utterly ridiculous.

[Giancarlo]

http://www.iglhrc.org/world/southamerica/Argentina2000June.html

http://www.iglhrc.org/world/southamerica/Argentina1998nov.html

http://www.iglhrc.org/world/southamerica/Argentina1999Dec.html

http://www.iglhrc.org/world/southamerica/Argentina1998May.html

http://www.iglhrc.org/world/southame...na1995Aug.html (This is old, but it only has gotten much worse, the police force believe me is no better.)

I am sure I can go on... it only has gotten worse since 1999...

On the issue of general rights for everybody, I have read a State Department report saying police routinely violated civil rights.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by Asher

We're talking about homosexuality and heterosexuality, not necessarily having sex.

You may be, but I'm not.

Knowing this, do you freely admit it's a choice which gender you are attracted to? Can you choose to be attracted to a man?

Yes, if I wanted to I could choose to be attracted to a man, and I could choose to have sex with him.

So you speak from experience?

Yes, I do as a matter of fact. I didn't want to have sex with anyone when I was five years old because I didn't even know what sex was.

You're right, that IS a dumb question. Of course you should punish him, regardless if it's genetic, he KILLED SOMEONE. How is that anywhere remotely comparable to homosexuality? And I hardly think the vast majority of murder cases can be linked to genetics, and if they did it still wouldn't matter.

It's comparable to homosexuality because they are both counterproductive. Yes, using contraceptives is wrong too. I know you will ask that. And abortion, wrong.

Why do you care so much about what they do? Does it tempt you and you want the temptation to go away, or do you feel you are doing God's work?

Why ask why? Try Bud Dry. Why do you care so much about what I think? Is it because you want me to think like you, or do you feel you are doing God's work?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Nobody cares about the "pink crow" laws because they are not enforced, and are a joke. Why dont you complain about something that actually affects someone?

To compare them to Jim Crow laws is utterly ridiculous.

Unfortunately, that's not true. The anti-sodomy laws have been enforced against gays, as a recent example in Texas showed.

And the other things he mentioned are still happening. One of the most egregious examples is hospitals refusing to grant the partner visitation rights, even when their lover lies dying in a hospital bed.

[Giancarlo]

And the article most striking is this one:

http://www.hrw.org/worldreport99/special/gay.html

Police violence against and detention of gay and lesbians in Argentina continued in 1998, and Human Rights Watch representatives met with Argentinian government officials in October to discuss such abuses. According to a Human Rights Watch report, released in Buenos Aires in October, homosexuals were subjected to frequent arbitrary detentions, followed by police abuses that included extortion, verbal and physical violence, torture, inhuman and degrading detention conditions, robbery, compulsory HIV testing, sexual harassment and rape, false criminal accusations and death threats. Police in Argentina conducted razzias (raids) against members of homosexual communities, raiding bars, discos, and other meetings places and often detaining large groups at a time. Individuals were searched and detained for no apparent reason, according to the discretion of the police conducting the raid. Some transgender women in Mendoza, Argentina, were arrested and assaulted by police in 1998 and kept in basement cells with inadequate ventilation where they were sexually assaulted and denied access to medical treatment.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Caligastia


Nobody cares about the "pink crow" laws because they are not enforced, and are a joke. Why dont you complain about something that actually affects someone?

To compare them to Jim Crow laws is utterly ridiculous.

As Boris has pointed out, some of these Pink Crow laws are definitely enforced.

And Boris, what name would you suggest?? I thought Pink Crow is good -- after all, we do use the upside down pink triangle as one of our symbols.

[Dimorier Maximus]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Unfortunately, that's not true. The anti-sodomy laws have been enforced against gays, as a recent example in Texas showed.

Good for my home state!

You know what? If you want to be gay, then move to California or New York for all I care, but don't make us change our laws.

Don't you see you are no better than us when you try to make us change our laws? When you force us to accept what we don't want to, you are being the very hypocrites that you want to call us.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
You may be, but I'm not.

Is it fun to redefine words so it suits your argument better? This thread is about homosexuality and heterosexuality, not choosing to have sex with someone.

Yes, if I wanted to I could choose to be attracted to a man, and I could choose to have sex with him.

If you're being completely honest, this means you're bisexual and simply repress the urges to be with a man. Most straight men wouldn't agree with you.

Yes, I do as a matter of fact. I didn't want to have sex with anyone when I was five years old because I didn't even know what sex was.

Why don't you try that again, this time with an example from puberty when those hormones actually kick in.

Besides, there are actually plenty of gays who felt the attraction since birth, while most end up with it in puberty.

It's comparable to homosexuality because they are both counterproductive. Yes, using contraceptives is wrong too. I know you will ask that. And abortion, wrong.

So it is only right to have sex when you're trying to produce a little baby Christian?

Why ask why? Try Bud Dry. Why do you care so much about what I think?

Because your attitude breeds intolerance and hate that I have to deal with on a daily basis.

Is it because you want me to think like you, or do you feel you are doing God's work?

I want you to stop being such an intolerant hick, is what I want you to do. Let people do their own things, don't pretend you know anything about what they're going through when you're clearly clueless, and stop pushing your religious agenda on others.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Dimorier Maximus
Good for my home state!

You know what? If you want to be gay, then move to California or New York for all I care, but don't make us change our laws.

Don't you see you are no better than us when you try to make us change our laws? When you force us to accept what we don't want to, you are being the very hypocrites that you want to call us.

Yeah right -- black and white civil rights activists of the 1960's were just plain hypocrites and evil, for forcing the appalling concept of equality under the law in our society.

Your logic is fallicious, to say the least.