Pledge of Alligiance - Unconstitutional?

[Asher]

Lincoln, come on...

We're not changing the history of the United States by removing "Under God", which itself 'changed the history of the united states' when it was added in the 50s.

Your whining is getting really annoying. If you want to keep saying Under God, you can do so, the next generation of Americans won't. If this stands.

And that's okay by me.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If this stands.

It won't... but we should take it out, just not through the legal system.

[Lincoln]

Well you should repent then. Why use that dating method at all if you despise the mention of God that much?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Hey, I mean, you shouldn't have [/b]any[b] problems with this either, right?

No problems... as long as I'm not forced to say it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Lincoln
Well you should repent then. Why use that dating method at all if you despise the mention of God that much?

Same reason the US still uses the English system.

Everyone's just used to it. We don't care about its religious meaning.

[KrazyHorse]

Good, you just about invalidated your point. Public schools can't overtly promote religion, so taxes going to them does not mean the Pledge is unconstitutional, because it doesn't overtly promote ONE religion

It overtly promotes one certain type of religion. i.e. the monotheistic ones...

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Asher
Lincoln, come on...

We're not changing the history of the United States by removing "Under God", which itself 'changed the history of the united states' when it was added in the 50s.

Your whining is getting really annoying. If you want to keep saying Under God, you can do so, the next generation of Americans won't. If this stands.

And that's okay by me.

It seems like the atheists are whining. This would not even be an issue if it wasn't for a whining atheist whos ear drums were apparently offended when he heard the dread G word.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Hey, I mean, you shouldn't have [/b]any[b] problems with this either, right?

No problems... as long as I'm not forced to say it.

Right.... so you will be sending your children to school, where, even if they don't say it, this "pledge" will be ringing around their ears and being recited by all their friends?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Lincoln
It seems like the atheists are whining. This would not even be an issue if it wasn't for a whining atheist whos ear drums were apparently offended when he heard the dread G word.

I'm not endorsing doing stupid stuff like he's done, but now that it's done, why are you whining against it?

You act like you're mortally crushed and the world is going to collapse if the Pledge doesn't have "under God" in there.

Somebody needs a reality check.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lincoln


It seems like the atheists are whining. This would not even be an issue if it wasn't for a whining atheist whos ear drums were apparently offended when he heard the dread G word.

I'm not offended by someone talking about God; I'm offended when somebody uses public resources to talk about God.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It overtly promotes one certain type of religion. i.e. the monotheistic ones...

Doesn't really promote anything (How many people believe there is one God because school made them say 'under God'?). I mean, you say the pledge and nothing else is said about religion. How does this violate your freedom to have whatever religious belief you want?

Right.... so you will be sending your children to school, where, even if they don't say it, this "pledge" will be ringing around their ears and being recited by all their friends?

Probably not, but I still find nothing unconstitutional about it.

[Lincoln]

I don't say the pledge anyway. I think the whole idea with or without God is kind of dumb. I just find it amusing when atheists cannot stand the word God to be mentioned in public. Grow some thicker skin. Everyone in this society is offended by something some idiot public official does.

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Lincoln


It seems like the atheists are whining. This would not even be an issue if it wasn't for a whining atheist whos ear drums were apparently offended when he heard the dread G word.

I bet that if the pledge said "one Nation without God", the theists wouldn't be just whining.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm offended when somebody uses public resources to talk about God.

Same here... but I don't see it as unconstitutional. The President saying 'God Bless America' in a State of Union isn't forcing a religion.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

It overtly promotes one certain type of religion. i.e. the monotheistic ones...

Doesn't really promote anything (How many people believe there is one God because school made them say 'under God'?). I mean, you say the pledge and nothing else is said about religion. How does this violate your freedom to have whatever religious belief you want?

Yes it does. As the article mentions, Ike's own thoughts on the matter were that such a phrase would promote a certain brand of religion. That's why he added it.