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Sure it does. It sets norms, and what will become legitimate and acceptable in society.
Doesn't matter. What is 'legitimate and acceptable in society' has no standing in Constitutional law.
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Doesn't matter. What is 'legitimate and acceptable in society' has no standing in Constitutional law.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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I mean we are indivisable, right?Comment
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But the freedom of religion doesnt exactly fly when one religion is being 'pushed' over others.Comment
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But the freedom of religion doesnt exactly fly when one religion is being 'pished' over others.
Doesn't matter. As long as the people are free to worship as they please, there can be a member of the Christian Right as President, with prayer in schools, etc, as long as it is all voluntary (if you look at the 1st Amendment).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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voluntary, but initiated by you school masters. That isnt right. Do you think it is right?Comment
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No, I don't think it is right.
But it isn't unconstitutional either.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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And I'm don't think that voluntary prayer in school in unconstitutional.
Again, the wording is:How does promoting one set of religions lead to ESTABLISHMENT of religion? It doesn't.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [...]"
An establishment of religion is a church.
Promoting a bunch of churches is equivalent to respecting an establishment of religion."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I know what the SCOTUS says in terms of school prayer, and I think they are wrong. 100%.
Again, the wording is:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion [...]"
An establishment of religion is a church.
Promoting a bunch of churches is equivalent to respecting an establishment of religion.
No, establishment of religion is making an official state church. Promoting one set of religions does nothing of the sort, it simply promotes a set of religions. I don't see how that leads to an official state church. Therefore it, in no way, leads to an establishment of religion, and neither does prayer in schools.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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The government uses public taxes to support monotheism. How does this not lead to official state churches?I don't see how that leads to an official state church."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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The entire text of the decision.
BTW, anyone watching Hannity and Colmes?
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Does it have the dissent as well?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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What were they doing on Hannity and Colmes? All I see is Mr. Klaas now.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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The government uses public taxes to support monotheism. How does this not lead to official state churches?
How is public taxation being used to support monotheism when the Pledge isn't mandated by the government?
How can you equate saying 'under God' in a pledge and prayer in schools to an official state church is beyond me. You will find few legal scholars who will agree with you on the Pledge being against the 1st Amendment.
Saying 'under God' in the Pledge is not Unconstitutional and it shall be settled when the SCOTUS hears it (I'm thinking an 8-1 decision).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Well, they had Newdow on.
I was asking since the only TV in this house that gets FOX News, my mom's watching (something on CBS). I wanted to know what the highlights were.
And yes, it includes the dissenting opinion. He only dissents with one part of the majority opinion, the part about the establishment clause. (Sorry it's in PDF format, but I couldn't find a good .html version-- indeed ANY html version)Comment
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IIRC, Virginia forces its schools to have the pledge (this occured fairly recently - i.e. within the past couple years). I wouldn't be surprised if a number of other states do as well.How is public taxation being used to support monotheism when the Pledge isn't mandated by the government?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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